Thursday, March 27, 2008

Why do I slog back into this debate?

Bush Administration Hampered FBI Investigation into Bin Laden Family Before 9/11

In 1996, high-placed intelligence sources in Washington told the Guardian, “There were always constraints on investigating the Saudis.” The authors allege that under the influence of US oil companies, George W. Bush and his administration initially halted investigations into terrorism, while bargaining with the Taliban to deliver Osama bin Laden in exchange for economic aid and political recognition. The book goes on to reveal that former FBI deputy director John O’Neill resigned in July of 2001 in protest over the obstruction of terrorist investigations. According to O’Neill, “The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.” The restrictions were said to have worsened after the Bush administration took over. Intelligence agencies were told to “back off” from investigations involving other members of the bin Laden family, the Saudi royals, and possible Saudi links to the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Pakistan. John O’Neil died on 9/11 in the World Trade Center.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Now Silverstein Sues the Airlines and security companies

Anonymous said...

If Barack Obama dies anytime in the next 6 months, the Clinton's did it. Let's get that out there before Alex Jones, the republican (har har), blames it on the republicans.

Anonymous said...

So what if we are paying ten's of millions a year to see where The Islamic Einstein go to the market. It is public knowledge Khan sold toys to N. Korea, Lybia and Pre-Desert Storm Iraq ...all the while we were watching the Golden Goose lay some eggs. In Fucking Genius.

Calico in Kremlin

Anonymous said...

Did you see the age on this article...LMAO!!

Who was president in 1996?

Anonymous said...

not Ron Paul

Anonymous said...

Oh look, more accusations of mass murder. Dont want to hear any boofer ever cry about terrorists not having the right of habeas corpus. Especially you boofers, i mean troofers, i mean conjecturists...lol

YAWNS!!

BIGDOG

9-11 boofer slayer...lol

Anonymous said...

Can we all chip in to buy BIGDOG a ticket to Iraq? Maybe he can embed himself in the everyday life of the natives. Let us know how peachy everything is.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3VjCFNNFRQ">Here ya go

Anonymous said...

"Malfeasent complacancy"....eh Olberman...nice verbage.

Malfeasance: Misconduct or wrongdoing, especially by a public official.

Complacancy: A feeling of contentment or self-satisfaction, especially when coupled with an unawareness of danger, trouble, or controversy.

or lieing.

Well knowing Olbermans op-eds and his historical rhetoric, he definetly would side with the lieing.

What he didnt mention about ATTA and the so-called Progue meeting, there was a direct link in Germany...all though seperate, there was a direct link to Atta and a Hamburg cell, in GERMANY. Guess Olby-one-Con-be forgot about that or it just didnt fit his rhetorical comments...DOH!!!

BIGDOG

Olberman slayer...lol

Anonymous said...

One question, Bigdog. What would be inherently wrong with a new and complete investigation, including all aspects, from the events leading up to 9/11 to the possibility of coverup today.

I don't see how asking for an investigation is such a bad thing.
-Miles

Anonymous said...

CIA agent David Morales is not only placed at the scene of RFK’s untimely death, but quoted (by his lawyer, among others) as boasting circa 1973 that:

“I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard.”

Anonymous said...

More from "Countdown"

Anonymous said...

One question, Bigdog. What would be inherently wrong with a new and complete investigation, including all aspects, from the events leading up to 9/11 to the possibility of coverup today.

I don't see how asking for an investigation is such a bad thing.
-Miles

You are such a tool dood. Are you stuck on stupid. I'll say it again, YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE to even warrant another investigation...amongst the many already done in academia, science, demo experts.

NIST, 911 commisions report, i dont bother with; well maybe for reference points if anything. I called both reports political documents on air to MTJ. You seemingly live by its errors and ommisions. I submit to you Miles this creates an industry repleat with nutjobs and these supporting casts making moneys, wich then leads to more taxes for guess who, the government....etc.

You think for one second the governemnt would want to kill a multi million dollar industry for nutjobs and mis out on all the taxable moneys...DOH!! now im a nutjob...lol

Once again Science supports the pancake THEORY moreso than demolitions. You want to complain about complacancy, be my guest. However after seven years, has it yielded what you wanted? NO!!!Almost a decade later and you dont get it. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS THEIR IS EVIDENCE TO WARRANT ONE. NOT INNUENDOS, SPECULATIONS, CONJECTURE and the like. HARD CORE EVIDENCE is needed.

You call yourself truthers, wich denotes you know the trueth. That trueth is equated to covering-up mass murder.

NOW PROVE IT!!!!


BIGDOG

Anonymous said...

"You are such a tool dood. Are you stuck on stupid. I'll say it again, YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE to even warrant another investigation"
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Either you didn't answer, or that is the worst answer in the history of debates.

Regardless of EVIDENCE, The victims, their families, first responders, millions of Americans, architects,etc. ARE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED IN AN OFFICIAL MANOR.

Is that not reason enough to warrant a complete official investigation?

You want EVIDENCE?

Is it not enough evidence that a CRIMINAL investigation of the crime of the century, apparently Implicated Osama Bin Laden, who does not have that crime listed on his FBI "Wanted" page?

And thus in the years after we have Atta, KSM, and others being tied in, we're supposed to feel better about the handling of the EVIDENCE that was shipped off, ground into mush and used to fill pot holes, that could have been used for a real investigation?

You don't think that it's a good idea being able to put all the rubble in warehouses somewhere, allowing forensic scientists to sift through it for any relevant evidence, to make sure there was no possibility of additional terrorist activity.

Let me guess, we should make a special case for this crime because "the crime scene is too big"

So lets not follow protocol. Just like they didn't follow protocol after JFK, RFK, MLK etc.

Anonymous said...

Once again you have NO evidence just speculation and innuendo.

BIGDOG

Michael T Justice said...

Is that crickets Big Dog? You don't want to come and put the silly guy with so called evidence, experience, and knowledge in his place? Or are you too busy ROTFLMAO and LOL (and rolling eyes)

Anonymous said...

Once again you have NO evidence just speculation and innuendo.

BIGDOG
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Once again, you dodge the question, what is wrong with an investigation?

-Miles

Anonymous said...

You know, Another thing.

You keep talking about this "Government Murder" idea.

You keep talking about evidence.

You fail to realize, it's not about PROVING TEH GOVT DID IT!! OMGZORZ!!

it's about getting around the coverup cock block, and getting answers to the questions we have via an official investigation.

In fact I've stated repeatedly, I don't know what happened.

If I don't know what happened, how do you automatically relate that with accusing someone of murder?

You claim that an investigation will never happen without evidence, I say that is the damn problem.

We need to investigate why in the fuck they hid all the evidence. Why the rubble was ground up and turned into pavement within six months?

Why in the fuck haven't we seen any of the dozens of cameras that were pointed at the pentagon, other than 5 frames of blurry fire?

Why did they put tarps over all the debris at the pentagon, and what did they cart off?

The point of an investigation is to collect and document evidence, in order to build a case.

Starting an investigation with the evidence already collected is kind of like being a welder when what you're about to weld has already been bolted together securely.

your claims of "Murder Accusations" and "Need to display evidence" are just doublethink and backwards logic.

If you think a "murder" investigation begins with an arrest (or charging someone), then collecting evidence, then discovering the murder occured, then you've been watching way too much Jack Bauer.

There is a big difference between wanting answers to questions not answered by the government, NIST, or any of the official story compilation; and demanding government officials be put on trial for the murder of 3000 citizens.

You put the cart before the horse for dramatic effect.

I want step 1, you get all uptight accusing me of demanding step 10.

And until you can give me one good reason why the families, first responders, architects, and citizens shouldn't be able to have their questions about that day answered by the government, or its investigatory bodies, then please just shut up because you have lost.

-Miles
"Boofed" more chicks than BigDog

Anonymous said...

You see, Bigdog, you're thinking like a journalist, that all the facts have to be in before you can even comment on what happened.

I'm thinking like a cop, hunting for that evidence.

When a cop "investigates" you can bet there are some steps.

1. A Crime. (In this case, 3000 people dead, 4 planes and 3 buildings destroyed, 1 building damaged.)

2. A cast of suspects. (Some say Osama, Some say KSM, Some say the Government, Some say rogue homegrown terrorists, some say alien space rays)

3. Motive of the suspects (those who think muslim terrorists did it say its for our freedoms, those who think the goverment was involved, point at PNAC documents for motive.)

4. Possibility/Ability/Alibi (this is one of the roughest points to get across to you, I say the possibility is there for any number of suspects, while you just accept that it's Al Quaeda.)

5. Suspect building - Suspicion of possible wrongdoing (Once again, while the official story supporters blindly believe that Al Quaeda are the only ones suspicious enough to have pulled it off, there are things such as Able Danger, and the recent comments by Mukasey, and the whitewash and destruction of evidence that could possibly either convict or clear suspects takes away honest deniability.)

1+2+3+4+5 = Build an investigation, examine the evidence, and reveal the truth.

-Miles
Not John Wilkes Boof

Anonymous said...

Ignorance abounds from miles. Must have been something he heard instead of checking out himself.

"Is it not enough evidence that a CRIMINAL investigation of the crime of the century, apparently Implicated Osama Bin Laden, who does not have that crime listed on his FBI "Wanted" page?"

OH REALLY??? are you sure about this????

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

I would love a complete and thurough investigation as to the complacancies involved in 911, Mukasey statements inclusive. Moreover from my many hours/years of research, most have been answered. You just dont like the answers. I would love to see these families you are talking about by name. The ones you say want a more deeper investigation into the complacancies of our government concerning 911 and mukasey provides a hint of a knowing but not an inside job. We do agree on that point, i think.

However complacancy denotes a "not knowing". You continuely state its an "inside job" equating a "knowing" or plan. Knowing that the US governemnt planned this event equates to mass murder. Mukasey statement shows a knowing of some call amongst the many of thousands, wich may have yeilded a net effect of "A boy cried wolf" scenerio.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008
"After September 11, 2001, it was revealed that the CIA and FBI had intercepted a variety of messages including phrases such as "There is a big thing coming," "They're going to pay the price" and "We're ready to go." None of these messages gave specific details and none reached intelligence analysts until after the destruction of the World Trade Center."

Olberman doesnt believe him and never has believed anything surrounding the Bush admin; yet mass murder was the end result. The end results, you say, were perpetrated by the government; by means of planes and controlled demolitions. Dont try and change your Bullshit rhetoric on me again.

Furthermore. I have said before that some elements within our government may have been involved. In fact i posted a link to a muslim spy being found within the DOD (element within). Liken unto the CIA agent Yousef (the man with 10 faces), who help the blind shiek in 1993 WTC bombing.(element within)A bigtime double agent on top of a double agent. Later to be linked with Iraq, Osama and Pakistani terrorism training camps.

Investigators had 9 months to draw their conclusions before you say everything was just wisked away and used for landfill...etc. I get the impression you think this stuff was removed in a week asto hide something. NINE months to examine the wreckage and destruction as debri was being removed. I will list all the independent studies. Somehow i dont think it would matter.

If you understand mathmatics and inertia this is a great piece to read.

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

Start here and send this to them families you are so concerned about. AGAIN!! science supports the pancake theory moreso than CD. PERIOD!!!

Anonymous said...

"I will list all the independent studies. Somehow i dont think it would matter."

CORRECTION!!! I will list one, not all....

BIGDOG

Anonymous said...

OH REALLY??? are you sure about this????

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
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I didn't read september 11 on there, I read "MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH"

Outside the United States, Outside the United States,Attack on Fed facility...with the only specific crime listed being the 98 embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. If you classify "Other terrorist attacks throughout the world" as the case for 9/11, you could be right, but I'd say that 9/11 would warrant a higher mention than the 98 embassy bombings.

Furthermore, the government has come out and stated that there is no clear evidence linking Bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks.
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"After September 11, 2001, it was revealed that the CIA and FBI had intercepted a variety of messages including phrases such as "There is a big thing coming," "They're going to pay the price" and "We're ready to go." None of these messages gave specific details and none reached intelligence analysts until after the destruction of the World Trade Center."

And they knew where the transmission was coming from, were apparently intercepting the messages for a reason??? "none reached intelligence analysts"

Isn't this the same government that says expanded spying powers will protect us?

If they can't get important conspiracy data to their analysts before an attack, then they don't need to tap my phone.
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Investigators had 9 months to draw their conclusions before you say everything was just wisked away and used for landfill

...And yet nothing was done with it, right?
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Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

NIST

9/11 Commission

Do you see a recurring theme here?

None are investigations, they are STUDIES.

Both the study you posted, and the NIST "investigation" basically started with plane crash, and destroyed buildings, and filled in the gaps with a single scientific possibility.

The 9/11 commission, as you say, had a specific task to figure out why they were able to get through our protections and pull it off.

None has been a complete investigatory function, only researching how the official story was possible

Even NIST says on their website,
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
"NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse".........in a faqs section asking why they didn't release any data about research into the possibility of controlled demo, in which they state what they believe happened, but never answered the question as to why they didn't release info about demo.

Furthermore, read this
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf


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science supports the pancake theory moreso than CD. PERIOD!!!

It doesn't appear NIST aggrees with you, and they are the only "official government" capacity that investigated the collapse

and I still say if you feel that way about pancake, how do you feel about a localized explosion (just as the localized fire of the official story) followed by pancake?

----
-Miles
Boofin Fish

Anonymous said...

Why do you want the very government you dont trust. Why do you want them to explain what happened. Why do you want an official explaination? I dont understand your mentality Miles. you cant trust the government but you want an official investigation.

Yet BIGDOG has shown how independent studies and investigations say different about CD. He even stated he considers them political documents as reference point. You really dont want answers you just like to cry foul at every turn.

Flip

Anonymous said...

Very good point, and excellent question.

To be honest, I do not have a good answer.

Maybe I want to keep hope alive, that my government isn't something inherently evil. Maybe I want them to be a government of the people, for the people, by the people.

Maybe after Hiding the truth about what happened in Roswell New Mexico for 65 years, I want the government to say "here look, no UFO, bring the cameras in" I want the government to say "yeah we know who really killed JFK, RFK, and MLK, but we haven't been able to release that information for 40 years for national security reasons"

I want them to admit that there is no law forcing a person to pay Income Tax and admit that the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, along with every war since its inception.

I want them to release all the intel, documents, photographs, audio, and video on 9/11 to end this debate once and for all.

I don't care if I'm right, I just want answers. The answers which they control.

As Alex Jones says, "Those who control the Information, control your mind, This is a war for your mind."

Remember Schoolhouse Rock? Knowledge is Power!

What they know could cripple this country or free it from a foggy separation of "News and Civics" and
our nightly "6 'o clock police fear blotter and Britney Spears watch"

There are independent studies based on possibilities, and then there are those who have all the evidence. I want to hear it from the horse's mouth and see the things that even the 911 commission and NIST aren't allowed to report on.

According to We Are Change, a letter from families of first responders was submitted to the 911 commission requesting a list of questions be answered, and only 30% of their questions were able to be answered.

I want the answers to the unknown.

Especially when the unknown should have been something brought up and answered immediately.

I mean it's been 40 years since the Kennedy Murders, and even though evidence and independent investigations are coming down the pipe in droves, most of the guilty are dead, and the general public no longer cares what really happened because to most, what happened 40 years ago is no longer relevant.

I don't want 40 years to go by and us to find out things did go wrong that day, and the real guilty parties, (be they tied to the government or not) be dead and justice not be served.

I want the facts released while they are still using 9/11 to get us to give up our rights, our money, and our future, to fight some war on boogeymen and the public has vested interest in the events that lead us down the path to global war.

Only through truth can a society be free.

-Miles

Anonymous said...

EXCUSE me Miles but NIST (your GOD document) admits to using ACEDEMIA "studies" in their investigations. Hence i use NIST and their political document/report for reference points on occasions.

Secondly, common sense should tell you there is no EXACT definition describing what a pancake theory means. In fact the floors did pancake on the way down, the collumns pulling inward may have precluded or preceded each floor impacting each other, hence a pancaking effect. They are inclusive to create such an event. NIST supports this conclusion, they just dont label it pancaking. The description fits, but maybe not the exact definition described by NIST.

Using NISTS definition: it was not considered pancaking because the inward collumns collapsed before each floor impacted each other. This is true by their definition but not neccesarily the description of its effect. However for use of better terms pancacking best describes the hypothesis to the laymen and completely desolves any CD theory. They even admitted to seismology showing there was NO BOMBS. AGAIN science supports the loosely/laymen defined "pancaking theory" moreso than the CD theory. I didnt realise NIST would muddy the waters so much for your common sense Miles.

Do i see a recurring theme?

Yeh i see one with you and your boofer cronies. Ill get to GAGe in a minute. Hell you even spun-the- living-shit out of what kriticos said about the experts not getting on board with Gage and those who created his presentation for him. You spun what kriticos said into some disparaging, fatuous, (flat out bullshit IMHO) commentary. Pathetic dood, truelly pathetic.

Your second link is to Jones??? WTF is wrong with you. The same guy that was removed from academia (BYU) for this very paper, that never passed any peer reviews and soiled BYU's reputation of higher learning. Dont insult me with this guys BS again. I have told you about this guy from the beggining, including on Dannies show. For you to post his shit, thinking you have something....Pffffft try again. This guy Jones wouldnt know a scientific study if someone showed him. Hence his firing from BYU.

Great segway into Gages Thermate "smoking gun". you know why. Because gage has jones' paper memmorised describing the thermate Jones speculated was used. In fact im glad he mentined this on MTJ show. Even NIST explained the reason for sulphur and i also researched for a more conclusive study. By a CANADIAN nuclear scientist F.R. Greening. Seems NIST agrees with Greening.

Want his PDF?

So Gage said on air last night that Jones analysis is the "smoking gun" and basically end all be all. He has failed you and all you other boofers. Those nutjobs who believe him, with an amount of credulousness that holds no boundries, is lunacy. If you were as critical of this guys 2 hour presentation, as you are about the official story, and my links to other studies and investigations (wich i dont think you ever read), you would have seen this LIE coming a mile away. You all talk about Appendix C of the FEMA report wich was answered later by NIST -faq- that you posted Miles. Yet somehow no one brings this up. Im going to start calling the Justice files, the all new NERFball files.

Gage saying he had 300 architechs and engineers onboard? If i remember him correctly. Its not even 1 percent penetration.

Gages free fall comment: You know some common sense would be nice. So MIles you can help here...lol

In every photo and every video, you can see columns (clads) far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the clads falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter columns(clads)hit the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high. the projectiles gage mentioned that impailed into the side of these buildings are the outer aluminum cladding. i mean squeeze a toothpick until it bends and quikly release it under pressure and see how far it flies. Gage said 500 foot projectiles penetrated other buildings. The outer aluminum cladding clearly seen flying like a springloaded toothpick (restoring forces), under pressure of about 1500 tons per floor multiplied by its kinetic (active)energy. If Gage and his so called experts like Jones and the mighty 300, maybe they should consider the restoring forces involved and the buildings ever increasing kinetic energies multiplyied by its weight per floor. Like a big old recking ball weighing in at 20,000 tons increasing in weight per floor all heading right down the gullet. Meanwhile the outer shell, if you will, is getting pinched and some springloaded outer claddings went flying into the other buildings.

But hey who needs science and the understanding of inertia(law of motion F=ma)...lol

BIGDOG

Anonymous said...

I actually am thinking more about a localized demo theory, followed by your column collapse "pancake"

I was going to present this th2ory last night, but I only had 2 mins and couldnt get in for the first 3 hours and 50 minutes of the show, even though I was trying.

Those who thing the column collapse couldn't happen that fast, Think of a twig. You take your left hand, grab the twig at one end, your right hand, grab the twig with your right hand, and squeeze together. The twig bends at the pressure points.

That still doesn't explain away building 7 though.

I've been reading documents the past couple days that lays out the case for possible KGB spies pulling off 9/11, According to Loose Change, Atta had ties to US military, and according to other sources, was in a Czech training camp in 1998.

Kind of interesting when you throw in the Russian possibility, especially when you look at the NORAD activity.

All one would have needed to know, was that NORAD was doing some drills with aircraft that day, and get the Russians to draw more of our air defense into Canada.

Al Quaida came to being as freedom fighters helping in the resistance against the Soviets. Imagine what could happen if after the fall of Berlin Wall the former Soviets decide to support their once "enemy?" to use their connections to CIA and Military officials.

It certainly would warrant the coverup we're seeing today, as US officials would be hard pressed to advertise that we would be vulnerable to spies or an infiltration. Especially by people our government "trusted"

I came to this line of reasoning from thinking that, out of the 536 people on capitol hill, only a few of them are not for advancing the rape of the bill of rights.

They couldn't all be "evil" and "corrupt" at the core, could they?

What if there really is clear and present danger of a US-Russian conflict, it surely would warrant a different view of severity than a bunch of Muslims plotting from a cave.

Just a point of view, that shows you can believe that the official story is false, but that the government isn't responsible for performing the attack.

Even with the various theories, the question still stands.

What would be wrong with an open, complete official investigation, to answer the questions about the unknown?

-Miles

Anonymous said...

And I think my spin of Kritikos was warranted. He basically was trying to say that Gage shouldn't be looked at as someone who might know something because of this reason or that reason, and even stated that he shouldn't be given the "platform" from which to speak.

The same "platform" that Kritikos had for nearly the same amount of time.

Gage decides to use the platform to speak about Demolition, Kritikos decided to discuss Whether of the Architectural and Engineering community would agree with Gage or not.

Kritikos is not an "EXPERT" on the thoughts of the Architectural community, He didn't go around surveying the "experts" to see if they would agree...He throws out the ratio of people in AE911 to the people in the field, as if every person in the field knows the information that Gage has to present. Just because you, and I and everyone who HAS looked into this knows the information, doesn't mean that they do.

I would argue that neither is an expert, and I'm not an expert, and you're not an expert. In the words of Michael, we're guys trying to figure it out.

It's not that Gage is in the architectural field that we listen, its that he is part of a national organization who has mined through the evidence and back a specific theory.

Granted, I think if they want the kind of money they are asking for, I think they should be producing their own information, but there isn't a whole lot new info to be found, without the government releasing info.

However, I don't inherently fault him nor support him. I think if more movements had traveling seminars and presentations, then maybe we would see support growing for freedom movements.
-Miles

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