Friday, March 18, 2011
Grant Hill responds to Jalen Rose uncle Tom comments
I love it! I don't even know who this Rose character is. I'm assuming that Fab five refers to the Michigan team that Chris Webber was a part of. I do know who Grant Hill is, even though I don't follow basketball at any level. If memory serves, they all left school to go to the NBA. I wonder if they went back and got their degrees, especially Rose.
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amen, brother. bring back the justice files!
Grant Hill's response I thought said what needed to be said about this issue..
I might add that Jalen Rose and the rest of "The Fab Five" all are good citizen's and at that time was imature 18 to 20 year old kids
thrust into the nationalspotlight.
WTF are you talking about basketball players or professional wrestlers? Kabuki dookie.
Haditha
Witnesses: Marine Ordered Unarmed Civilians Out Of Taxi And Shot Them
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/06/iraq/main2334938.shtml
Battle for Haditha (full film)
http://www.zshare.net/video/71447021cb712350/
Charlie Rose - Charges Brought Against US Troops / Henry Kissinger
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2987980549873265032#
What is it good for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8C4AIFgUg
SO!! Hows that hope and change treatin ya.
More like: Look! a shit stain.
What is war good for? An American asked that question? Anyone asked that question? If your answer is "absolutely nothing," you're an idiot.
Hows about, "absolutely nothing unless you're a power monger or a death merchant" ?
Like I said, an idiot.
Your comment sucks.
For most every political enemy that we are told they are evil scum, that enemy is told the same about us but the truth is most always that the majority of people on either side get caught in the middle of a small minority's mindgames and both sides commit evil scummy acts.
The USA could still have happened without war. The Colonists just wanted to be left alone, it was the Brits who wanted war. Americans would likely still have a good Constitution if the Limeys had done the right thing and moved on before things escalated into war.
Perhaps instead of making war with the natives, they could have all stood together against the Brits and there would have been no need for the Brits to fight an unwinnable war. Or mabey they could have decided to settle things with a Jenga tournament.
My point is that wars hurt and kill people and that's not good for anything.
huuh
yep...an idiot.
So what is war good for then?
Shall we begin with the establishment of America? Frankly, I brace for your response.
So are you trying to say that America could not have been established without war?
England put taxes on the colonies to pay for the French-Indian War. They had a problem with that and it escalated to war. If King George would have listened to colonial reps. then maybe North America would still be part of the British Empire today.
War is declared by nations but they are fought by common people. Great civilizations are built on war and conquest. Its not something to be proud of but it's reality. It's what follow will go if thier is another war.
"So what is war good for then?"
Wow!! what a rhetorical question.
Ok dood. The phrase "dont start any shit and there wont be any shit." Aprapo!
The real question of any Merit is...why provoke it?
Looking through a blackened eye
I felt the pain but couldn’t cry
I tried to speak and felt the rip
From swollen tongue and busted lip.
I reached for you to hold you near
I loved you still throughout my fear
You turned your back and walked away
I layed there bleeding begging you to stay.
The lighting faded as I laid down my head
Remembering the very last words that you said
“Why do you make me hit you? It’s your fault ya know?”
…And with my last heart beat.. I just let go…
(I wrote this poem after a very abusive relationship.
It is all too familiar to many that have been there.)~SZI~ sziqzi0 Rome, NY, US
I noticed you highlighted this by bold font...“Why do you make me hit you?"
How does this apply to provoking war by means of great loss of life to your citizens?
Iraq for example was an excellent example of an abusive relationship. The nation of Iraq has still done nothing to actually harm the US yet the people were murdered and invaded and conquered by the US, supposedly justified by what ifs.
And what you just described I would call starting a war, not provoking war.
Maybe if the Bush administration would have put the focus on Bin Laden instead of Iraq we might have taken cared of Bin laden sooner.
"The nation of Iraq has still done nothing to actually harm the US."
BS. The leader of that nation Iraq and the IIS(plotted)to assassinate one of our x-presidents in Kuwait. A foiled plot but an attempt just the same. That within itself is an act of war. Saddam harboring the 1993 wtc bomb maker Yasin. Yet another act of war to aide and abet a wanted fugitive. BTW six people were killed and 1000+ injured. Yet somehow you say Iraq the nation didnt harm the US, well duh the nation maybe not, but its leaders and the IIS did and provided safe haven those that did.
...."supposedly justified by what ifs."
WHAT IFS?? Another reason Bush gets a pass by me is Hussein signed a cease fire agreement. He violated the cease fire for 12 years.
The three main reasons i listed have ZERO to do with what ifs. They are factual.
BTW John you dont know that to be true. Pure speculation by you.
Key points: "in Kuwait", in Iraq
The fact still remains that Iraq has never attacked the United States.
BTW I agree with John's speculation, it seems like common sense to me.
"The fact still remains that Iraq has never attacked the United States."
Never said they did on our soil, yet in a way they did. The fact still remains Saddams people attempted to assassinate a x-President of the US. Saddam Harbored Yasin and is guilty of making the bomb himself that killed our people. By our legal standards he did indeed attack the US.
Look up: aid and abet Law Definition.
Twelve years of violations and deceit, they got there asses handed to them. Iraq and its people are better off now IMHO.
You can agree with John, but its still pure speculation. Besides the Bush administration did not focus on Iraq. The troops were in Afgahan as well, so to say the Bushies focused on Iraq is BS. No matter how long it took to kill OBL it doesnt mean they werent focused on getting him. Saddam couldnt leave Iraq, but OBL left Afghan in a hurry. So missed at tora bora, soon to be found hiding in Pakistan. Different region, different tactics and timeframes.
Get informed and stop speculating. If i was to speculate i would say you both prefered OBL's death over Sadamms. So all is good then.
Well again if the focus was on taking out Bin Laden and his forces at the beginning then maybe he would have been dead a long while ago.(Yes I'm speculating.)
The full force of our inteligence community would have been focus in the Pakistan/Afganistan area and just maybe we might stopped things like the terror bombing in Madrid and London from happening. (I'm speculating) We might have sooner gathered intel on how "AQ" was funded how they communicated and what and how a cell operates.(I'm speculating)
As for Iraq.. Like a lot of supporters of that "clusterfuck" Some people "speculate" that Iraq had something to do with 9/11?. They didn't. The Bush administration lied about Wmd's and when those lies was discovered they made up new reasons to go to war in Iraq.
"The Bush administration lied about Wmd's "
The libs in congress during the clinton administration lied also, clinton inclusive. You always leave that part out. You never mention how democrats said Saddam has and/or is developing wmd, right up to the 2003 invasion. This is your dishonesty in debate im refering to.
Another example of your dishonesty. Bush set a pecking order and first on the list was UN violations. His state of the union address proves it. Why you never mention that?
They never invented new reasons to go to war with Iraq. They were already at war with Iraq when they found that the THIRD party intel was somewhat inaccurate. Yet they still found some things like 1.7 tons of 5% enriched yellow cake. Radio active isotopes. Long range missles. Fermenters, Dryers, Binary howitzer shells complete with chemical agents. Why is it you never mention these things. Instead you tought the party line and to the informed you look ridiculous. BTW Saddam had wmd's because the US sold it to him. WE HAVE THE RECEIPTS!!! the title of my lil report i wrote and gave you a copy of john.
What matters now is we have "Boots on the ground intel" and that is what finally nailed OBL and Obama still waited 9 months before oking the hit.
John = *crickets*
The fact still remains that Iraq has never attacked the United States.
And the democrats that thought Iraq had WMD's were wrong also. The diffrence is that the Clinton administration didn't try to peddle a fantasy on what Iraq was doing with thier WMD's. The Bushies when all else failed try to say that Iraq had a nuke program going when they didn't. (ever hear of Joe Wilson?? Yea that yellow cake deal with Nigeria was true wasn't it?? Not)
I guess the crickets you hear is me ignoring you!!!.
"The fact still remains that Iraq has never attacked the United States."
WRONG!!!!
Look up: aid and abet Law Definition.
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HAHAHAHA!!! Joe Wilson. He had nothing to do with the 1.7 tons of uranium found in Iraq after the invasion and yes Iraq did seek out potential sellers of Uranium many times over including Nigeria, other Lybian channels and Dr Khan had his grubby hands in it also.
Notice how you say those democrats were wrong, but the Bushies were liars. Not very honest assessment.
The crickets im hearing is you being ignorant, couldnt agree more.
The fact still remains that Iraq has never attacked the United States.
Correct.
Look up: "Iraq attacks US"
" In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/
" Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes."
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-06/world/iraq.wmd.report_1_nuclear-weapons-charles-duelfer-iraq-s-wmd?_s=PM:WORLD
" PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Chief Weapons Inspector Charles Duelfer has now issued a comprehensive report that confirms the earlier conclusion of David Kay that Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec04/wmd_10-7.html
" For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on." - Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003
" In his new memoir “Courage and Consequence,” Republican strategist Karl Rove admits that no Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq, and his failure to not push back harder against then-president George W. Bush’s insistence to invade Iraq was “one of the worst mistakes he made” during the Bush Administration."
http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/03/03/rove-admits-no-wmd-found-in-iraq/
" In his new memoir “Courage and Consequence,” Republican strategist Karl Rove admits that no Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq, and his failure to not push back harder against then-president George W. Bush’s insistence to invade Iraq was “one of the worst mistakes he made” during the Bush Administration."
http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/03/03/rove-admits-no-wmd-found-in-iraq/
" Canada was the world's largest uranium producer for many years, accounting for about 22% of world output, but in 2009 was overtaken by Kazakhstan."
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf49.html
The new face of terrorism
http://www.quadruplez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/10045862.jpg
Transcript: The Yasin Interview
A 60 Minutes Exclusive
" WE MET WITH HIM…IN BAGHDAD TEN DAYS AGO... AND HERE HE IS – ONE OF THE MOST WANTED TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD -- IN PRISON PAJAMAS UNDER HEAVY GUARD."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/02/60minutes/main510847.shtml
That's what you consider aiding and abetting?
The democrats didn't try to manipulate the info into a deal that Iraq had WMD's of a nuclear variety. They didn't lie but the Bush administration did. The democrats were weak in not trying to get the Bush administration to explain the rational for invading Iraq. They were swept up in the fear that Iraq was gonna give nuke's to OBL and his bunch of terrorist.
The tubes and centrifuges that Iraq had couldn't produce a bomb of any kind. I think you have to have over 1000 centrifuges to create material to get started on a bomb.They had to be maintained and updated with the latest tech.
Also you would have to have a place that had fresh water source and where you could get rid of nuclear materials. Where was those sites in Iraq??.
Please source me where was 1.7 million tons of uranium that was found in Iraq. In my research I never read or heard that info.
Funny now with all the books written by former Bush administration members they seem to backtrack on the WMD's claim.
Doing some research on the 1.7 million tons of uranium claim by BigDog. I have come to the conclusion he was correct on this.
But.. Was it weapons grade? And it appears it was leftover from the first Gulf War. Saddam had a active program till it was destroyed by coalition forces in the first Gulf War. Saddam had trouble trying to put his nuke's program together because it was in shambles. Yes, he had a Wmd's program that was somewhat limited that dealt with non-nuke's weapons
but the Bush folks try to make the link to the Baath of Iraq and OBL
and AQ as far as a operational links.
This was a poor country with a dictator that wanted to be a player in his region. His country was in shambles and his military wasn't first-rate. We helped him in the past cause he fought Iran and kept the commies from getting a foothold in that region. We gave him weapons in that fight and like all things in the changing geopolitical map he turned on us.
But he had nothing to do with 9/11.
Right on. I'd like to add that the nation of Iraq has never yet been a threat to the US.
Right on. I'd like to add that the nation of Libya has never yet been a threat to the US. But, I'm merely a lib and that would make Obama look bad so I wont bring it up.
The Idiot Left
Libya isn't a threat to the US. You are so right on that. I had issues with our military involvement because I think the war-powers act has been abused by past POTUS's but our involment has been limited with other allies taking over the command and control of that operation.
The invasion of Libya is yet another insane escalation of The War On Arabs, er, I mean Terror.
Right on. I'd like to add that Obama and Bush are both warmongers.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43363
Is Mikes show ever coming back?
Was it weapons grade?
No john, but its enrichment was at 5%. What you need to research more about. The UN had 550 tons of Iraqi Uranium, under the watchfull eye(more like blind eye) of the IAEA after the first Gulf war. The 1.7 tons was not. In fact the UN was very upset with the US removing it, but never denied its existance nor xplained its oversight either.
You said the Bushies manipulated the intellegence. How is it so? if the said intellegence was being taughted by the Clintonistas allthrought the late 1990's. Here are some quotes showing the LDB's from 1998 until 2003, before BOOTS ON THE GROUND INTEL. Did they(LDB's) manipulate intellegence before Bush was sworn in or after?
qoutes linked:
http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm
"But he had nothing to do with 9/11."
Not one Bushie said he did nor did I.
BD
I dont know why some continue to back bushies or others as if they had stock on them and their dividends from investments are being threatened, why assume things were this or that way. None of you were reading the classified info or in the meetings, wikileaks gave you insight into the backdoor deals that happen and are not reported filtered for you to fill in the blanks and take sides while everyone in the war industry gets a cut.
It seems many people have invested their identity and/or religious beliefs into these politicians and political rhetoric.
What backdoor deals did the Bushies make, ordained by wikileaks???? Please be specific, cause right now you are extremely vague.
I back the Bushies when people like you and john lie about things and then find out, by me, you have been ill-informed. So i set the record straight and wont allow your liberal slant on things. Its really that simple. I'll appose your liberal BS and you take it as defense for the Bushies when in fact its nothing more than correcting your ignorances. YES PLURAL!!
BD
"What backdoor deals did the Bushies make, ordained by wikileaks???? Please be specific, cause right now you are extremely vague."
I bet the Bushes had their backdoors dealt with at the Bohemian Grove long before Wiki leaked allover anybody.
Still no substance to your claim? Hmmmm...figures!
Calling me a liar is a little strong wording but this is "scrappydoo" we are dealing with. This is what happens when you listen to DarlaJaye and other rightwing talkradio. If you disagree with them you are the problem.
Yea SD doesn't throw out conservative propaganda that he gets on the internet. Yea, SD doesn't repeat the talking points he hear from conservative talk radio.
"back bushies or others as if they had stock on them and their dividends from investments are being threatened" This quote mentions bushies or others I don't care who it is! The culture of corruption, sociopathic behavior that a democratic or republican government displays. Wikileaks painted a clear picture of the war and its dingy little everyday details, bribery, backdoor deals etc. THIS PEOPLE REPRESENT YOU! Like Terence Mckenna said these politicians who sit on top of the hill are a bunch of ignoramuses falling asleep in their soup or something like that. I met a former military contractor on a jobsite, I forgot what he called it but was also a bodyguard for those guys in suits with cases of money for bribes He also said he witnessed an 18 wheeler filled with cash to pay people off. Anyone who has wo brain cells rubbing eachother knows that it is not fair to throw a people into a "democracy" from a despot's grip. They knew that but didn't care there is money to be made.
Still waiting to see all them back door deals those damn Bushies made.
Yeh John?? but you never say: i may have been ill-informed, im sorry or my bad. You dont provide a reason for your ignorances, what else am i to figure on.
Well Scrappy,
You are ignorant!!. I don't care what you think of me so let's just move on to another subject. This horse has been beaten to death and nothing left of the remains. Move on!!!
I'll move on when i feel like it.
The obvious malfunction, by any means you deem attention worthy and the fact you addressed me concerning the LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!! indeed shows concern or atleast a response to how much you do care.
Just know this im watching out for the keeping it real peeps. Stay misguided and ill informed so i can have more fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72fbXDQ7Lg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnSUyJ_kMLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsIenyZaQUg
Still waiting for all these backdoor deals one taughted earlier.
On june 17th it was brought to my attention that the Bushies had; how was it put out there?
"Wikileaks painted a clear picture of the war and its dingy little everyday details, bribery, backdoor deals etc."
Again since there is all these back door deals on wikileaks. Well then, your search and linked evidences should have been real easy to obtain?
So why the long ass wait?
You need 2 weeks? still nothing posted.
You see its real easy to keep you liberal dumbasses in check ask for direct evidence. One thing about liberals: its not the evidence, its the seriousness of the charge that matters.
Keep me waiting and i can chalk this up as another example, showing how a liberal lies.
Oh and now to top things off The Evil Penus has been caught, once again, plagiarising. I swear you LDB's make this so easy.
BD
Scrappy,
WTF are you talking about?. Maybe you can try to enlighten us on what
Tony did. I might add on his blog
not on Jfiles. You are truly "a majority of one". That's not a compliment I just gave you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHkkLBOrvE
I did add my accusation of fraud, to his blog. He read it and never posted it. Thats his history. The pic with Pat Boone and a list of people he claims came from the top of his head was a lie. He got it from Bartcop.
"So, there you have it.
The Top Twenty-Five MOST RECENT Republican sex crimes,
and that was just off the top my head."
He edited his post tho and added this. "(Article is a Reprint)"
If said article is a reprint, then how is it off the top of his head??
HUH JOHN???
The quote that you just posted is also part of the reprinted article.
http://www.bartcop.com/list.htm
Here is another quote from the article:
"I'm going to make the list PG-rated so it can be reproduced, copied, re-distributed and kicked around by everyone who wants to be fair."
Hope this helps clear things up
The truthfairy is lieing. Im so glad you brought this up. One liar backs up another. Circle the LDB wagons, its a laugh.
You see. Anthony took the time to remove and leave out components of his plagiarism, so he could claim it, until i called him on it.
The original quote:
"So, there you have it. The Top Twenty-Five MOST RECENT Republican sex crimes, and that was just off the top my I.Q. of 66 head,"
Further note he removed the comma from the original and added a period. But hey, whos picky.
The Evil Penus change the quote to make it appear he thought of this list himself. He gave no credit to its origin, either.
Why was "I.Q. of 66" left out???
"(Article is a Reprint)"
Later added, after i posted my ass whoopin. No its not a reprint i say it was....ummmm it was edited by him. Now! Where does it say he could edit the article? but i digress. A reprint and a link would suffy yet no link provided for its origin. Thats why i lambasted him for it. It also shows he lacks original thought, someone else created it and he claimed it.
Once again proving my point. Just give those who deserve the credit thier just do and stop pretending you created something you didnt.
Perhaps it's supposed to be more about the message than the messenger.
Also, Bartcop did sort of give out editing rights.
"...it can be reproduced, copied, re-distributed and kicked around by everyone..."
But this is not exactly a concretely discernible sitch
The message doesnt bother me. Edit and claim as his own....even a LDB can see the con. Its really that simple.
Here's the real question:
Have you ever seen Anthony The "Evil" 'Genius' and Terry BartCoppage in the same place at the same time?
Doesnt apply.
Do you know for a fact that the question doesn't apply?
Your obfuscation is reason enough.
I'm just saying that it's within the realm of possibility that they are in fact the same person. Yes?
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_black_diaspora_news/18195
Have you met Anthony in person?
I have. They are indeed different people.
No. But have you met Bartcop too?
This is a complete non-issue!!!. Tony isn't a reporter for a newspaper.He has a blog which he put his views out. Sometimes he will sample something from a article. Most of the time he will write it's from another source. I read the article and could tell it might be from another source. Most of the time we all have views based on things we read,view or listen to. We don't have to source it all the time.
As far as Tony not putting BD's posting on his blog. Maybe it isn't the politics of it but of how you say it and your personal issues and attacks on Tony. Last
time I checked he has the right to edit and scrub out what he think isn't acceptable on his blog.
Don't like it then don't post.
Plagiarism. NOT COOL!!
Sourcing your info. WAY KOOL!!!
True enough, BD.
Seriously then, AEG has said that other people post stuff on his blog too, so it wasn't necessarily him that reposted that article, it's a little fuzzy about the author's intentions as far as reproduction of that particular work goes, and who knows what the poster's true intentions were anyway. There are too many unknowns here, certainly not enough information to outright accuse a man of plagiarism.
Me The Jury find Anthony The Evil Genius not guilty of the charge. Me also decline punitive damages for the slander since BD most likely believed what he was saying to be true.
Next case. I think AEG believes in free speech until he hears something he doesn't like.
In other News, Britney Spears doesn't gain 200 lbs on 3 month booze cruise. Bat Boy is not on the loose again in Chicago. UFO not spotted over cornfield in BFE by Bubba-Jack Jones. More to Follow...
By royal proclaimation: Office of the First Lady July 20, 2011
"First Lady Michelle Obama Announces Nationwide Commitments to Provide Millions of People Access to Healthy, Affordable Food in Underserved Communities"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/20/first-lady-michelle-obama-announces-nationwide-commitments-provide-milli
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I've made this PG-13 rated so that it may be easily plagiarized, kicked around, and/or otherwise reproduced.
Let Them Eat Veggies! A non-Interview with First Lady Michelle Obama
This press conference was a spectacular event. They didn't pull out all the stops, red carpets, fanfare, peasants with trumpets, and they let us eat cake. There was not even what must have been a jester that came barging up front screaming about stopping wars and the like. We all got in a good belly laugh when he was flopping around like a fish from the repeated electrocution, the crowd got so much pleasure from his pain. Later, some of the press was not granted an exclusive audience and the opportunity not to ask The Lady Obama a few questions about the new decree. Here are some of the highlights:
Reporter asks: "Some say that the plan can suck them in through good intentions but end up giving them the shaft. Do you really think this is the best way to provide underserved communities with affordable and healthy food?
Lady Obama did not respond: "I didn't say it was the best way. I'm just saying that this is what we're going to do, it's not really open for debate."
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Reporter asks: "How about funding for gardening in schools, more community gardens, urban agriculture, small farmers, food localization, and organic methods?"
Lady Obama did not respond: "No. We would rather keep people ignorant about their food and create unnecessary jobs, so we're giving funds to big businesses and public agencies so that they can waste people's labor and resources and discourage communities from creating their own wealth."
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Reporter asks: "It seems like this is focusing on the symptoms and not addressing the actual problems. Isn't that the same type of thing that got us to this point in the first place?"
Lady Obama did not respond: "Yes. But there are a handful of smaller grocers that will get some funding as well with this. The trick is to keep funds away from localized production and discourage self-sufficient communities, that way we still keep control from the top down. The big companies will buy most of those smaller grocers up eventually anyway."
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Reporter asks: "How can you call funding the production of more genetically modified foods laced with pesticides and encouraging their consumption, healthy?"
Lady Obama did not respond: "It's sort of an inside joke. Listen, these people don't know what they're eating most of the time anyway."
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Reporter asks: "So to sum this up; Big business gets even more control over farmlands and food production, resources and labor are wasted, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, but let the ignorant people eat between 11 and 32 percent more veggies?"
Lady Obama did not respond: "That's about right. And thanks to the blind support of the American Public, I think we can keep this scheme going for a very long time to come."
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Reporter asks: "What if the public wants to do things a little differently, such as using the funds to help these underserved communities to provide more of their own food for themselves?"
Lord Obama did not join The Lady at the podium.
Lord Obama did not respond: "Oh no. The American People need to take this just like they do at the airports, oh yeah, that's it. This plan is well lubricated with funding and it reaches around to provide jobs for people who can't find anything better."
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Reporter asks: "What do you say to people who think that the plan is too big and it's just going to get bigger?"
Lord Obama did not respond: "You want those old people to get their social security checks next month don't ya? Don't worry, we'll be gentle, a little bit at a time, you might even like it, try to relax."
A brave new world
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1537644238897941086
2057 - The Body with Michio Kaku
Educational video about what scientists and technology developers have accomplished and plan to have accomplished by 2057
Non Issue!!!!!.
The Let's Move program is about helping parents and kids make healthy choices about meals to deal with the problem of obesity and other complications that involves health issues.
Gee I don't know but maybe if we are given information on picking the right foods, encouraging exercise,not cutting gym programs at schools,eating in moderation then maybe we wouldn't have a health crisis and health cost might go down.
That all sounds great but I don't think that we read the same WH press release.
If all, lets say 10?, people who view this b10g cl1ck on all 3 @ds once each day 7 days a week, that should e@rn about 350 per month. Could that be enough to bring MTJ back to the airwaves?
Ohhh bonus! Does anyone want to join a specially designed c1ick c1ique?
I heard a teaser for Chris Merrill's show about a week ago and the caller said "I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I really don't care!" The voice really did sound a lot like Bigdog.
I don't mean to sound insensitive, but that was some funny shit.
I just heard it again it was actually "I'm not being insensitive but who cares?"
Sorting through the past week with
the events that was pulled in D.C. I must ask a question. Where are the jobs?. Since Obama exstended the Bush tax cuts which supposed to generate revenue so the job creators could create. Well where are the jobs?.
I would like to read what a tea-bagger would respond to that question. I'll give ya some time to get your talking points from conservative talk radio.
I notice you are assigning blame to the Bush admin. When in fact your own president doesnt know his own birthday nor his own age (Audio On Bens show). Who cares though.
The reason for a lack of job creation has to do with or is more about globalization; as new international markets paid off for American companies throughout the first decade of 2000's, has now come to roost upon the obama admin.
This administration has promised shovel ready jobs with its stimulus packages, wich has yet to happen. Obama himself has never said that by extending the Bush tax cuts, it would create jobs. Yet somehow you find a way to spin something and then name call. Might i remind you about your constant badgering about name calling.
The extension of Bush tax cuts kept the Obamma admin from really fucking this countries private sector further. This isnt about Bush tax cuts its all about the failure of Obamas shovel ready jobs...etc.
LDB Slayer!!
I assign blame on Bush because he
pushed his Bushtax cuts which wrecked the United States economy and got us in debt. (Dammed Right)
I blame President Obama for exstending the Bush tax cuts which has hurt the economy. He should have ended it when it expired or better yet killed it off somehow the moment he set foot in the oval office.
Get your talking points straight BD. Your side claims if we give tax cuts to the upper 4 to 5% it will create surpluses and put money in to create jobs. (It hasn't happend!)
The stimulus wasn't big enough and I might add that where it has been applied to job creation it has worked. Attacking the roads,bridges and infrastucture in this country that is crumbling and dealing with a old electric grid which needs to be updated would create jobs and create other jobs from that which would help the US economy.
Your really clueless if you think that President Obama is trying to destroy the private sector.(talking point from conservative talk radio,Fox news) Get some new material because your not informed and your are just moronic.
Yea I called you a name because I'm tired of dealing with tea-bagging morons like you.
We are talking about jobs. With unemployment around 10% under Obama and 4.5% during Bush. Id say i would like to have Bush back for employments sake.
When talking points are accurately describing our countries situation and how this President is FAILING, i dont need to change them.
" Attacking the roads,bridges and infrastucture in this country that is crumbling and dealing with a old electric grid which needs to be updated would create jobs and create other jobs from that which would help the US economy."
OH??? So where are all these SHOVEL ready jobs?? Remembering Obamas promise for shovel ready jobs....Pfffffft!!
The proof is in the pudding your President is failing. Obamacrats are now riduculing Obama for his failed presidency.
Democrats voted for the extension, leading economists said extending the Bush cuts wouldnt create jobs. You are indeed the most ignorant LDB ive encountered.
However giving you the benefit of the doubt. Please source this.
"Get your talking points straight BD.
Source* Your side claims if we give tax cuts to the upper 4 to 5% it will create surpluses and put money in to create jobs.
(It hasn't happend!)"
BTW im not a tea party member, but i find it funny how pissed you and your leftist Obamacrats are. Is it because thier first black president is failing and inlay the real fear?
LDB got bitch slapped AGAIN!!
Bush's unemployent rate was at 7.8
to 8.5% when he left office. Maybe it was at 4.5% but well it doubled
under him.
I have issue's with how Obama has done his job. When you deal in a open authority kind of thinking then I must be critical of him for things he's failed to do. But I will take him over Bush in a New York minute any day!!!.
Obama being black has nothing to do with it so why you bring it up?.
That's your issue that you really need to work out.
The stimulus wasn't big enough and it didn't attack real problems with infrastructure and the electricla grid. If Republicans had a clue they would understand that pumping money into work projects like green jobs, light rail,high speed transit would create jobs,industry and boost the economy. It happend before with the WPA. Ever hear of Hoover Dam,The TVA with FDR and the New Deal. This created industry that boost the economies of western states and in the south. It created jobs, started real small business.
Also the last time I checked Barack Obama is the elected President of the United States. He's your President to. I respect the office even though I might have disagreed with the last occupant of the office.
Gee BD you talk about anger but it seems the really angry people are the tea-baggers. I'm not mad I'm just sad that the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of racist morons that don't have a clue what they are talking about.
BYE!!!!
So!!! where are all these shovel ready jobs??
Well a lot of proposed so-called
shovel ready jobs don't have funding. Some of the issue's is redtape and a lot of political shenanigans by both parties.
There are construction jobs that deal with education,road,nature parks that are proposed ready to go
that nothing is happening. Who's to blame?? Well President Obama for not fighting and explaining to the american people the need to boost the economy with public works projects which will create jobs... The Republican's because they are beholding to the tea-baggers, corporate clowns like the Koch Brothers, Grover Norquist and
his anti-tax pledge crap.
So how is it you say not enough funding when YOUR president and YOUR side allocated only 1/3 of the total stimulus to said shovel ready jobs.
Where did the other 2/3 of 700+ billion go JOHN!?!?!?!?!?...slush funds??????
Oh and please provide a source!
Oh and here is the real kicker. You want to heap more debt upon MY grandchildren. Fuck you Liberal.
LDB last nail in coffin.
Where is your evidence that stimulus money is in a slush fund?.
Fuck You Liberal?. Really great comeback but this is you that I'm dealing with so I don't expect you to deal with me as a adult.
If you care about your grandkids like you say then I might suggest
that you teach them to respect people of all backgrounds even those who may have diffrent political beliefs. But again this is you that I'm dealing with so
I fear for thier intelect,reasoning abilites and just overall well being as productive future adults.
Gee BD, Its funny but you notice that a lot of republican govs of states seem to have some budget surpluses and well claims of job creation that I don't know might have come from the stimulus money from the Obama administration?.
Yep keep it comming with all the talking points you get from conservative talk radio,Fox News talk about a useful idiot.
Once again you are a Liberal and i cant stand you LDB's. I dont have to teach my grandchildren respect for liars and manipulators. I'll teach them to respect those that deserve it. You are attacking me about your fears for my grandchildrens intellect??? So now you use my grandchildren as a gauge into my persona? Somehow makes it easier to lie and manipulate this debate about shovel ready jobs?? HAHAHAH!!! only shows who the real child is and who cant be an Adult.
BTW your implications towards me only proves my point about liberals. YOu dont give two shits about my grandchildren. YOU want more stimulus....MORE debt shouldered by those living beyond our remaining years. NICE!!! hence the FUCK YOU!!! because that involves many a grandchildren...DUH!
I'll say it in your face, if need be, but dont ever come across as someone who cares about my grandchildrens well being or even muscle an opinion.Get it.Got it.Good!
Ok so where are all these shovel ready jobs?
Obama forgot his own birthday??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! its on you tube. Whata dumbass. LMAO!!
In the good ol' days arguments would be solved out on the street in an ol'fashioned scrapping, now a day we just punch keyboards in exasperation, what a bunch of hussies!
I care about the future of the country to the point where I want our children to productive citizens.
It might be nice if the Republicans would deal with the jobs issue which most americans care more than the national debt but of course the repo's worry about silly stuff like social issues and nothing about the economic mess that the country is in.
But really BD spare me your phony outrage about what I said about your grandkids. Your anger is at me is really misplaced. You need to place at people like the Koch bros.Limbaugh,Hannity,Darla Jaye and the rest of the knownothing rightwing morons that tell you stories about people like me to keep you stupid.
Your outrage is really over the top!!. It doesn't become someone who claims to be informed. You took what I said real personal and all I got to say is "TOUGH GET OVER YOURSELF!!!"
More nonsense from a Liberal.
Once again. Where are all these shovel ready jobs?
Still waiting Lib!
I think the jobs are supposed to be in here somewhere:
http://www.recovery.gov/Documents/Jobs_Report_Final.pdf
The article proves my point even further.
Thats why i asked John where the other 2/3 of the stimulus went.
Oh and how is it you can save jobs and call that job creation. It isnt...PERIOD!!
Nothing gets me fired up like a lieing Lib. So one last time.
Where are these shovel ready jobs?
Where did the other 2/3 go?
Simple questions and no answer from a Lib. All i have been getting is the run around along with ad hominem attacks from this LDB named John.
From scanning over that report, it looks to me like it would be a lot cheaper to just put 6 million people on welfare than to "create" jobs for them. All they would have to do is wait for those 6 million new welfare recipients to hate their poverty and start committing crimes to get by. Instead of putting them in jail for crimes of poverty, make them do community service work. Then they could still fix the roads and whatnot with impoverished slave labor. Much cheaper ;)
"Simple Rule for Estimating Job-Years Created by Government Spending - $92,000 of government spending creates 1 job-year"
http://www.recovery.gov/Documents/Jobs_Report_Final.pdf
Doesn't that seem just a little bit, um, MUCH!
Money isnt always needed for government to help create jobs. Lifting drilling regulations in the gulf both deep and shallow drilling would impact close to 40,000 + jobs created. The moratorium killed alot of the drilling momentum and jobs.
Government getting out of the way of the private sector would be a HUGE step in the right direction.
Sounds good, except that the oil companies have proven over the last few years that they can't even handle the drilling responsibilities they already have. Remember, government protects us from the corporations and even vice-versa sometimes.
I thought I answered your question on where the stimulus money is at but well I guess it didn't sink in to well. Also I might add that some of the money has been allocated for future spending and tax credits for small business from the time that the stimulus was passed. That's according to the CBO.
But it's funny you made a comment that Obama has a slush fund where the stimulus money is at that you claimed is missing?. (Source that for me please because that is a wild claim you made about the Obama administration).
The CBO is "Congessional Budget Office" a non partisan group.
P.S. When you source it I want you to source it from a source that is from a respected news gathering organization. (Bloomberg,McClathey,Time,Newsweek
and not from a conservative blogger)
"But it's funny you made a comment that Obama has a slush fund"
FALSE!!! I was asking, hence the six ?'s. This was a failed attempt on my part to show i was ASKING!!!!! i forgot how ignorant LDB's can be. My bad.
My original quote:"Where did the other 2/3 of 700+ billion go JOHN!?!?!?!?!?...slush funds??????"
More lies and manipulations proof once again liberals have reading comprehension problems.
So ill ask you one last time. I mean Anon made an attempt.
Where are these shovel ready jobs?
Where did the other 2/3 go?
Why do you people spar with BD? He's the king of trivial chatter. He tells the truth even when he is lying!
Sometimes when you deal with complete utter MORONS! Then you need to just say "Whatever".
I like to think we are all adults and can be civil but it is just real pointless with some people.
A great piece written on the webiste ProPublica on 8/18/2011
on the stimulus which is by
Michael Grabell about the truth
of the stimulus.
ProPublica is respected non-profit bipartisan news source of real investigative reporting.
Still waiting on that source on a possible slush fund.
More lies from a LBD. I never said Obama set up slush funds nor a possible slush fund...i asked remember. ?????? However a possible slush fund is easy to source. Maybe thats why i was asking you for a source.
Lets first agree what is a slush fund is before i source a possible slush fund.
Would you agree that money is hidden or put away for later use?
That piece from propublica is a joke and you call it good investigative reporting? WOW!
You out-lawed Blogs for sourcing yet you use one??????
Oh not to mention Grabels article includes he is selling a book and i quote: "Author Michael Grabell is working on a book Money Well Spent?: What Really Happened to the Trillion-Dollar Stimulus Plan [43], due out in January from PublicAffairs."
No thanks!
In the blog part you can read up on Albert Meyer and his responses wich are inline with my thoughts.
AM challenges the author and MFS pretty much summed up my opinion of the article.
I THINK YOU JUST THREW OUT SOME WEBSITE ON THE WALL AND HOPE IT STUCK. Whata disgrace.
When boiling spaghetti noodles, throw one against the wall, if it sticks, your noodles are done.
So BD claims that Obama has a personal slush fund of stimulus money but refuses to give any source for his info? Typical Bigdog.
"So BD claims that Obama has a personal slush fund of stimulus money.."
OH LOOK MORE LIES!!!
When LDB's get called on thier BULLSHIT they tend to disappear and grow silent.
No more lies LDB's. Can you do it?
Two questions BD won't answer.
1) What slush fund is he talking about in regards to missing stimulus money?.
2) Where are the jobs that republicans claimed they created?
Have they submited legislation for job's creation?
If you read Micheal Grabell's piece in ProPublica which I don't think you did, he covered the fact that the stimulus wasn't just about job creation but about tax breaks to help small business. Also he gave a detailed accounting of projects that are close to completion or have been completed. (Also dealing in a open authority he listed reports from Tom Colburn that was critical of stimulus.)
Now ProPublica is a investigative journalism website that is well respected. IT's NOT A CONSERVATIVE BLOG THAT IS TIED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOR THE KOCH BROTHERS!!!!!.
I'm tired of dealing with dumbass rightwing morons like you. You don't know what the hell your talking about most of the time and you deal in political and social arguements that you just aren't equipped to deal with. Your typical of what I despised on talkradio. "A knownothing that don't get he's being played!!!".
Moving on because in the war against stupid people you just do what you need to do.
1.FACT: You were asked where all these shovel ready jobs?
2.FACT: You were asked where did the other 2/3 of the money go?
3. FACT: I never claimed Obama has slush funds i asked??????
Your article only hurt you. No real answers and did not identify where all this stimulus money went.
I told you to read up on 2 of the bloggers that posted there. They were much inline with my thoughts about the article. Call me lazy for not wanting to seem plagiaristic by copying thier posts here. SO GO READ THEM!!!
Now heres how FUCKING DUMB YOU ARE!!! I read all the posters comments. I read the article. One would conclude if i read the bloggers quotes that perhaps i indeed read the article.
OOOOOPS!!! I heard your LDB jaw hit the reality floor.
A rational thinker wouldnt say.
John queefed: "If you read Micheal Grabell's piece in ProPublica which I don't think you did,"
BULLSHIT MORON!!! i read more than you did and that piece wasnt full of anything but piling shinny shit upon shit. I'll use MFS,a blogger post opening line: "Are you sure this article wasn’t vetted (it certainly was not edited for balance, fairness, completeness and accuracy) with the White House or Axelrod/Plouffe?"
Does the author have a clue about a Red Herring and what it means? is? The way he tried to use it didnt make much sense. Maybe you could explain it for me. I doubt it tho. It is not as detailed as you say it is. The article is a RED HERRING in that it diverts the attention away from my original question Fact #1 above and hurts your war against dumb people.
Like fish in a barrel folks. Oh BTW your site is a blog.
Oh looky, Bigdog still didn't answer John's questions did he?
(see i phrased an accusation in the form of a question so according to Bigdog rules it would be acceptable even if it wasn't true, all jeopardy style an shit)
Now the daily double. Is the following link to a blog entry or to an article on a website? And what is the difference exactly?
http://www.propublica.org/article/economic-myths-we-separate-fact-from-fiction
P.S. You're a big stinky doo-doo head or something.
Im not answering his question until he answers mine.
What makes it a blog is the fact you can post comments.
Fucking dolts are a dime a dozen anymore.
So is the KansasCity.com news site a blog? Is this some sort of weather blog?
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/02/3116897/kctv-5-weather-heat-advisory-today.html
By definition if you are able to post comments it is considered a blog.
Seriously are you this ignorant?
Bigtard, where are you getting these definitions from? Uranus dictionary?
TF. Whats that stand for total fucktard?
Hmmmm...lets see if TF had a brain and was able to use google and type in 'define blog' you may find a clue.
wiki:"Most blogs are interactive, allowing visitors to leave comments and even message each other via widgets on the blogs and it is this interactivity that distinguishes them from other static websites."
Comments/interactivity is the major distinguishing fact wich seperates blogs from static websites you fucktard!!!
Another dumb-ass liberal bites the weenie!!
Oh, a wiki entry, i'm impressed, NOT!
So how does your dumb-ass explain this?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2090871,00.html
It's not a blog so you are the fucktard, a lying fucktard it seems.
(if you really are all droolin on yourself, down-syndrome-faced, rode the short bus to school, then i apologize for being so crass)
The Time website fits the text book definition from dictionary. Wiki was a better description of a modern day blog but not verbatum of a dictionary!!
No one lied you just contribed a bunch of BS waisting my time.
Remove lips from weenie LDB!!!
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they stink. BD, could I have some copies of your self- authored book to fire up my barbeque this weekend?
Bigdog: "By definition if you are able to post comments it is considered a blog.
Seriously are you this ignorant?"
And then...
Bigdog: "The Time website fits the text book definition from dictionary. Wiki was a better description of a modern day blog but not verbatum of a dictionary!!
No one lied you just contribed a bunch of BS waisting my time."
So you admit you were talking out of your ass on that one and i concede that you were not intentionally lying. It wasn't a waste of time because you learned something, as did i.
Now, moving on, Did you really write a book? I'd love to make a book but i can't seem to get stuff that i've written to flow together in a book format. I like to write Sci-Fi. I think i'd like to make movies too. Where can I get a copy of your book?
And so this actually is an article too, right?
http://www.propublica.org/article/economic-myths-we-separate-fact-from-fiction
Try finding the cliff notes. It's probably under-Defend the Rich While I Stay a Broke Republican section.
Ha, thanks i found it. It was in between there and the Misery-Loves-Company section
here is Bigdog's book?
SO!!! Here we are. John still has yet to provide me with an answer and like his president he has failed.
Next up is why Obama says he has a 447 million dollar job creation idea. He has yet to produce ANY!! material,graph,nor has he shown what exactly his plan is. One could argue his campaign speech fell on deaf ears cause thats all it was. I mean...CHILD PLEASE!!!
No books will be provided not even mine....Pfffffffffffffffft!!!
Do you break your keyboard when you type?
http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/fundingoverview/Pages/fundingbreakdown.aspx#Entitlements
http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/RecipientReportedData/Pages/RecipientReportedDataMap.aspx
542 jobs created in Jackson County MO with stimulus. Costing over 700 million dollars. That's close to 1 and a half million dollars per job created, and that's just in Jackson County. Now i'm no economist but Bigdog does have a point here. So where's all the jobs?
I believe it is estimated that it takes an average of 32,000 dollars to hire someone in the private sector and thats a skilled job. The higher the skill level then the obvious would apply and that estimate would be much higher.
I heard and havent verified a report by the NYT that millions of stimulus went into teachers pensions funds instead of hiring teachers.
John is the type of person that puts down all media outlets and deems them not credible if slanted to the right. So when i ask for his sources its for comparison and analysis. He has yet to provide me with anything tangible. TF i almost get the sense you are beginning to wonder the same thing im wondering.
WHERE ARE ALL THESE SHOVEL READY JOBS?!!!!
For all then extra DEBT heaped upon our future children...etc Wheres the jobs man? as promised by this president?
I think that the stimulus money is intended for trickle down through redundant government agencies and fat corporate wallets and relatively few jobs will slowly drip out. The megacorps are already setup to rake in most of our dough and government is set up to grow larger. Whatever the intentions, It serves to funnel more power away from the common people. Basically this stimulus is just a concentrated influx of money from the bottom in the future to the top in the present.
"I heard and havent verified a report by the NYT that millions of stimulus went into teachers pensions funds instead of hiring teachers."
That sounds like black propaganda meant for tea partiers, surprising if it is from the nytimes.
I really wish they'd get off the teachers, it's just not smart.
Here's one for the Tea People... How about businesses that outsource jobs that could be done in the US get no tax breaks of any kind for any reason? And businesses that import more than, say 20% of their goods, screw them too. Could semi-micro loan the extra tax revenue to small localized production business startups and call it 'The Real Economic Recovery Act'.
OK. I attempted to get the article from the NYT's and i am not a paying member. Therefore it appears i wont be able to show its directly from the NYT's. I googled stimulus money goes into teachers pension and i got some decent results and a few pointed to the NYT article. I read many articles that the stimulus did indeed go into teachers pension funds and i also read that money will be running out or they had to use it by sept 12. So it appears the money they didnt use did go into teacher pension funds. Did it shore up depleted funds like all the articles point too. My point is if its being saved for future use then that is considered to be a slush fund. If it is being used to make pension funds more viable then the president should have made it clear that saving jobs and shoring up pensions and not shovel ready jobs is the purpose of the stimulus. I also saw a chart showing over 400,000 teacher jobs were saved and it appears that this time next year serious cuts will have to be made.
Then today i hear KC school districts lost creditation?
I've read that the money is being saved for later in many cases and that the practice IS specifically allowed by the bill, but I have yet to find reliable info about stimulus money going into teachers pensions.
(I'm not a member of nytimes either but i was able to browse around their site with no problems. You might try clearing your browser cache and/or installing an ad blocker.)
Obama media slush
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/06/washington-post-and-cbs-receiving-money-from-obamacare-slush-fund
http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/04/obama-slush-fund-pays-for-news-media-pensions
Obama cap&trade slush
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/02/02/phil-kerpen-obama-budget-cap-trade-tax-deficit-black-box
Oh, my gut hurts, oh man... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg
This makes me laugh. The conditioning goes way back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I
OK. TF lets do some math.
400,000+ teachers jobs were saved by stimulus of 09'. Some reports say that gives them 3 years so somewhere in 2012 thier jobs may be cut. The math is this.
44 billion went to DOE. If each teacher whos job was saved contributes an average of 5% of salary(average 40,000) to teachers pension fund. How much stimulus money went into these pension funds? You said the bill allowed for saving for later date....ie slush fund. I mean call me crazy but it appears some of the stimulus went to shore up teachers pension fund. The amount to consider is 40,000 x5%= $2,000
2000$x 400,000= 800,000,000 x 3 years 2.4 billion. Per usual these are conservative figures and in my mind without question the stimilus money found its way into the teachers pension fund. Now how much of that stimulus will find its way into the DNC to help around election time???
Talk about conditioning... right here at home even... wow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY
Anon,
Okay, you're talking about what teachers spend their own personal money on now. If you wanna go there with the math then most of the other 95% of their money is funneled up to big corporate interests through their regular purchases. Also, there is no shortage of crooked politicians and crooked heads of government agencies that will hook their rich buddies up with no-bid contracts and so forth too. And if it's allowed by the bill then it's technically not a slush fund but whatever.
You're really worried about them giving their personal money that they earned to the DNC? Now tell me this, if you were a teacher and a huge swath of one of the only two political parties that you can see, openly wanted to take your job and your pension away, wouldn't you support 'the other' party?
I mean really, isn't there a whole lot of more effective ways to cut spending than to keep targeting education? Don't we need good educators now more than ever? Can we really afford to cut education is this nation at all, as ignorant as americans are compared to other nation's people? How about those damn spy cameras everywhere, maybe they could cut those instead of installing more? How about we stop blowing up so much shit overseas? Or spend less money pointlessly dehumanizing our people at the airports? How about we slow down on spending for trying to compete in some sort of global economy until we can get our own economy straight? How about taxing imported goods and lowering taxes on domestic goods?
How about helping to secure fair elections by going back to paper ballots before we do anything else? And how the hell can people just trust those damn machines to be fair and accurate? I mean politics is openly crooked as 'both sides' will say about the other and computers screw stuff up all the time but we're just supposed to trust the voting machines to be secure and accurate and their programmers and/or hackers to be honest?
You can thank the polarized Tea Party for those polarized teachers who now support the polarized DNC more than ever. And we can thank those ronpaul2008ers who claimed to be truthers yet kept saying not to push conspiracy and false right-left paradigm stuff until "later" for the ignorance, magnitude, and extreme polarization of the Tea Party.
In a nutshell, I suppose my point is this: When people blindly follow some cult of personality or another, then they tend to see only through the lens of some hierarchial structure, they generally don't even try to see things from another viewpoint or use their own discernment.
The less-polarized people tend to grow their knowledge faster and more accurately than the highly-polarized folks. That's because the highly polarized tend to block-out/ignore/refuse to accept information they don't like and/or hide that which might damage their cult hierachy if made common knowledge.
A trick to seeing through the current pop political structures is to think of it like 3D-glasses. Look only through the red lens and see one picture with some extra lines added in, look only through the blue lens and see a similar picture with different extra lines added in, but look through both lenses at the same time and see this whole other thing going on. It's just a choice really, to rise, or flow, or stagnate
WOW!!! fucking liberals deny/ignore certian truths. Taxpayers moneys were used to save 400,000+ jobs for teachers is their personal money they earned? I guess you lack the understanding when the very genesis of that money was the stimulus. This money was taxpayers money and not money generated in the private sector. Besides if it was earned then why was their job on the way out? Was the layoff earned as well?? Stimulus money saved teachers jobs and 2.4 billion went into teachers pension because of the stimulus. PERIOD!!! Thats the true bottom line.
"2.4 billion went into teachers pension because of the stimulus"
source requested please
I already explained it. The sources are repleat once you gain an understanding how it works. Im trying to educate you on how it works and you want a direct quote from whom???
http://biggovernment.com/vderugy/2010/03/10/who-is-the-stimulus-money-stimulating-teachers/
Follow the math dood. I demonstrated how tax payers moneys went into teachers pension.
Without the stimulus no teachers jobs would have been saved? correct?
Without the teachers jobs being saved there would be no 2.4 billion going into teachers pension and if it was for 2 years then that total would change to 1.6 billion.
Are you really that ignorant of how this all works?
At some point and time you will begin to think for yourself and not always need someone else for your opinion. Get educated TF and take heed to those that are elder and wiser.
Enough said!
stfu u snakey bastard
Seems like you are just trolling but I'll respond anyway, bcuz.
Now you follow the math "dood".
Those 400000+ teachers that you speak of that make 40k/year would be taxed at least 20% just for federal.
source: http://www.fairmark.com/begin/bracket.htm
40,000 x 20% = 8,000
$8,000 x 400,000 = 3.2 billion x 3 years = $9.6 billion
Without the stimulus no teachers jobs would have been saved? correct?
Without the teachers jobs being saved there would be no $9.6 billion in additional tax revenue according to your numbers.
From your source: "In 2009, for the first time ever, more public-sector employees (7.9 million) belonged to a union than did private-sector employees (7.4 million) despite there being five times more wage and salary workers in the private sector."
So instead of trying to address the problem of not enough union workers in the private sector, they want to take public unions down too. A misery-loves-company move for sure. That seems to be the "conservative" attitude these days. Yeah i listen to your shepherds a couple times a week on the radio when i can stand it.
Breitbart is a twisty mofo like you:
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/04/28/judy-ancel-responds-affront-to-democracy-and-an-attack-on-students-right-to-an-education/
http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/judy-ancel-and-colleague-were-framed-breitbart/
Big business/corporate welfare got way more money than teachers pensions (old news):
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/09/news/companies/corporate_stimulus/index.htm
"WOW!!! fucking liberals deny/ignore certain truths."
Of course they do.
"Taxpayers moneys were used to save 400,000+ jobs for teachers is their personal money they earned? I guess you lack the understanding when the very genesis of that money was the stimulus."
Fortunately, slavery was outlawed a while back. People generally get paid for their labor right now, even teachers. Unless you get your way, then we'd all be slaves i suppose.
"This money was taxpayers money and not money generated in the private sector."
Taxpayers money is generated by computers in the private sector, but i wouldn't expect you to know that.
"Besides if it was earned then why was their job on the way out?"
Because the economy sucks right now, that's why. Megacorps control most of the money.
"Was the layoff earned as well??"
Of course not.
Stimulus money saved teachers jobs and taxpayers get $9.6 billion in additional tax revenue from teachers because of the stimulus. PERIOD!!! Thats the true bottom line.(sort of)
"At some point and time you will begin to think for yourself and not always need someone else for your opinion. Get educated TF and take heed to those that are elder and wiser."
My opinions are actually pretty firm. I challenge you to turn off your sheeple media for a few months and try to argue this same shit. Elder doesn't always mean wiser obviously.
Ummmmmm first off, the math used was a breakdown of KNOWN FACTS!!! not sheeple media. LDB's always fall back on accusations. I mean its not the facts that matter its the seriousness of the charge.
However excellent point about tax revenues but that wasnt the point of discussion.
Once again you resort to obfuscations wich are meant to detract from the real issue. So much for a serious discussion when you want to divert from the topic. Stimulus money was used to shore up union pension funds and it seems you cant refute it. Now you are agreeing with me and did some math of your own. Excellent job by you.
Thank you have a nice day.
Stimulus money went to save teacher's jobs among many other things. If they do their jobs then they get paid for it. What they then do with that money that they earn is their personal choice. So no, according to information that you have provided, stimulus money did not go straight into teacher's pensions and you are full of it as usual.
Hope you have a great day though.
I did not say the stimulus went straight into pension funds i demonstrated by means of teachers mandatory contribution of stimulus money that was used to save their jobs did in fact make is way into the pension fund.
Teachers do not have a choice in contributing to the pension fund. That is set up as thier UNION DUES!!! per state and a portion of those dues goes into pension funds. You seemingly lack the understanding. Instead you contort some cockamamie, half truth in order to somehow magically make the facts go away. Then sir it is you that is full of it.
Oh and get this retired teachers still pay manditory union dues just FYI. Oh and get this the NEA deserves your scrutiny and how the NEA funnels moneys to the democrats.
Sorry TF but i grow weary of your ignorance.
If I follow you fellows' logic, then didn't a few more dollars end up in healthcare insurance pockets. I mean mist of those teachers are likely to pay something like 300+ bucks into insurance for a family.
By the by: using tax dollars to create a job and then counting the tax revenue from said job seems like a double sip.
Pardon,
The pensions vs lack of social security benefits would be a double sip of sorts too i suppose. How teachers spend their salaries really has jackzero to do with his alleged 'stimulus slush funds' or 'shoring up teachers pensions' or 'Obama misleading people. This is Bigdog's 'logic' game we're in right here. He makes all sorts of accusations, then gives no sources to back up his original teacher's slush fund claims(seems he couldn't actually find any), so he twists it into [the money]"did in fact make its way into the pension fund", then tries to pretend that I'm ignorant or don't think for myself because I verify while he simply trusts his hierarchy. He seems to think that if he admits he was wrong then he loses his little game so he goes on the offensive and tries to turn tables. It's his standard 'house of mirrors' weak game.
The thing to do in his sociopolitical group is to rag on teachers right now, so he does, setting aside other ideas about cutting spending in favor of the trend and having an enemy to try and tear down. When educators are considered the enemy, that just seems like embracing ignorance to me. A lot of CBPs(Conservative Butt Plugs) like him see half of this 'nation'(LDBs or Liberal Douche Bags) as their enemies. It's this fear-state that makes them so easy for the hierarchy to manipulate. Putting cult before conscience stunts growth.
"People may be made to follow, but they can not be made to understand." -Confucius
Bigdog,
"Teachers do not have a choice in contributing to the pension fund."
Just like we don't really have a choice about contributing to the social security fund.
"That is set up as thier UNION DUES!!! per state and a portion of those dues goes into pension funds."
I think that most of them seem to be cool with that.
"You seemingly lack the understanding."
What i lack is much of the brainwash that you are covered in.
Oh and get this retired teachers still pay manditory union dues just FYI."
And i'm sure they still get union benefits as well.
"Instead you contort some cockamamie, half truth in order to somehow magically make the facts go away."
No, that's what you did. Proof puddin:
"I did not say the stimulus went straight into pension funds i demonstrated by means of teachers mandatory contribution of stimulus money that was used to save their jobs did in fact make is way into the pension fund."
You most certainly did: "So it appears the money they didnt use did go into teacher pension funds. Did it shore up depleted funds like all the articles point too. My point is if its being saved for future use then that is considered to be a slush fund. If it is being used to make pension funds more viable then the president should have made it clear that saving jobs and shoring up pensions and not shovel ready jobs is the purpose of the stimulus."
So can you prove or even source that unused stimulus money was used for "shoring up pensions" and "make pension funds more viable" and that the president was unclear about the stimulus's actual purpose? Or since that line of shit about slush funds didn't work out for ya, you just went with some indirect bullshit about where teacher's salaries go, right? What does teachers continuing to put money into their pensions even have to do with stimulus? Like, we're gonna save and create their jobs but they won't be allowed to pay in to their pensions anymore. Like you want to steal their pensions because stimulus saved their jobs, you have to realize how rediculus that sounds. And how does the fact that a good number of those teachers don't get any social security benefits because of those pensions factor in to your backpedal of mathematical cockamamie?
Bailing out the auto companies and extending the bush tax cuts were the biggest expenditures of stimulus, not teacher jobs anyway. Do you want to go after the auto workers pensions too since big auto got stimulus? But not the executive pensions right? What about the interest those rich people are making off of the money they saved thanks to extending their tax cuts deal, you're not too worried about what happens to that money are ya? Get real.
And the repo nuts you swing on generally only look after people who make five or ten or twenty times what most people make. And those cats seem to believe that they actually deserve five or ten or twenty times as much as someone who invested more in education or works twice as hard as they do or whatever and they dare to bitch about entitlement. Its all lame.
"Oh and get this the NEA deserves your scrutiny and how the NEA funnels moneys to the democrats."
When the repos want to take away their unions and pensions and the dems want to help them hold on to what they've got then of course they would tend to lean towards dems in a two party system.
Now stop playin that shit and we cool. Alright, now can we move on to other ways of cutting spending brah?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/05/26/eight-easy-ways-to-cut-government-spending
I bet there's all kinds of stuff like this we could find, I mean, since you're really so concerned about the taxpayer's money and all, right?
"Man who stands on toilet is high on pot." -Confusion
No sources huh?? I was hoping you would discover things on your own. More believable that way but there you are twisting everything around. I know, beyond any doubt, im right and you sir are wrong.
http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/02202009/
polinew134400_32484.shtml
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB10001424052748704164904575421613093659730.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/
pensions-teachers-cops-obama-stimulus-public-sector-workers/story?id=11379944
State example of stmilus being used for shoring up pension fund.
http://www.workforce.com/
article/20090403/NEWS01/304039994
Oh and no matter how much you like to filibuster or obfsucate. The ineternet is repleat with how stimulus was used to shore up state budgets. I wonder if you are informed enough to know what all expenditures fall under state budgets?
Does a state budget include Pension liabilities TF?? yes or no
If you answer is "no" then im done with your BS and i concede you are a moron. Again it seems you lack the understanding or are purposelly arguementative against reality. Known as trolling.
You have sources! Good job Bigs! Bout damn time, i'll get back at ya. Glad to see you backed off of your bullshit mathematical gymnastics.
Not mathmatical gymnastics its called reality and you know im right.
BTW is your answer 'yes' to my question?
Still dont think taxpayers arent used to bail out pensions? Think again. Look at whats coming down the old congressional pipeline.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/
may/25/look-for-the-union-fable/
I should have added that the bill never passed, but dont think for a minute they are not trying.
"Does a state budget include Pension liabilities TF?? yes or no"
My answer to your question is: Probably yes, but i don't care either way. Have you ever seen people working on roads before? Don't ya see most of them just standing around or leaning on shovels while a few of them work? Think just about that waste throughout the whole KDOT or MODOT, then multiply that same wasted money ratio by almost every state agency in every single state, then try to say that helping to make sure school teachers have 20-30k/year to survive on when they retire is a waste! It doesn't even compare to the amount of stimulus that actually is being wasted elsewheres. This issue probably started as like, some group of rich and powerful manipulator's sick joke. When this issue first got big during the wisconsin teacher's union thing, the angry mob didn't care that the teachers had agreed to a pay cut, they were told to try and break the whole unions down so they did as they were told.
http://www.workforce.com/
article/20090403/NEWS01/304039994
"Oh and no matter how much you like to filibuster or obfsucate. The ineternet is repleat with how stimulus was used to shore up state budgets. I wonder if you are informed enough to know what all expenditures fall under state budgets?"
Whatever, and; Yeah all kinds of shit, I suppose you know every single line item though, oh wait, the only ones you care about have to do with public pensions. Shoring up state budgets was part of the economic recovery plan, there were no slushfunds, and teachers are among the least of problems in regards to spending.
Bored.
"Not mathmatical gymnastics its called reality and you know im right."
In regards to your mathletics, to quote you:"Instead you contort some cockamamie, half truth in order to somehow magically make the facts go away."
"No sources huh?? I was hoping you would discover things on your own. More believable that way but there you are twisting everything around. I know, beyond any doubt, im right and you sir are wrong."
You didn't put up sources when i asked before, you tried to go all creative numbery instead. I didn't twist anything and i can't figure out what you are trying to say that i'm wrong about.
From your source: "Contrary to widely reported tales of outrageous pension abuse, the average annual pension collected by U.S. public servants is around $20,000, according to the CBPP and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)." - "According to Abraham, the average public school teacher earns $50,000 and retires on an annual pension of around $29,000. Roughly two-thirds of that comes from teacher contributions and investment returns, with the rest coming from tax dollars, he estimated." - "Only one-fourth of the money used to fund most civil service pension funds, including firefighters and police, comes from taxpayers; the rest come from employee contributions and investment returns."
That last article. It seems like they just tried to do the same thing that federal and state governments do for the megacorps quite often by bailing them out. Separate from the stimulus as it would have been, so why is that so bad? Besides the obvious inflaming bias of the article its not much different.
He was going to cut existing funding to education and that bit of stimulus money was supposed to be used to prevent cuts and that's exactly what it seems to have done here.---> http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/02202009/polinew134400
YAWNS!!!
I think I have more control in my life than I could anything else. I dont vote anymore, I stopped paying my credit cards and I am considering defaulting on my house so I can buy it back with cash later for pennies on the dollar. I am trying to do what the banks do to me in reverse. A fella wrote an article entitled "Are jobs obsolete?" where he makes the point why work? technology has stripped us from most jobs by replacing us and making us obsolete. Give the people basic rights like food and shelter.
Nice. I vote for third parties, I know its similar to the ignorance of just picking an R or D but it is actually a little different right now. You might try building up your credit, creatively not paying interest, borrowing a bunch of money, and then declaring bankruptcy.(speaking from experience, 50k+ just in credit cards debt wiped out years ago)
I like the basic rights idea but food and shelter can not be considered rights or there would be little difference between us and captive animals. If we could just stop denying each other our inherent rights to the land we'd be a lot free-er and wealthier.
http://ttff.posterous.com/
Well you have a point on captive animals but what are we now? I remember my history teacher talking about the shift of power from the land owners to the money holders, that last post seems like a desire to go back to an agrarian society. Not with iphones around.
captive animals now yes, more agrarian yes, bring iphones along, can't find info about the shift thing
Just a classroom conversation. Don't recall exactly the context but more about how large landowners had much political sway and when maybe society became urbanized then people with the money gained this political sway. He even went as far to say that jewish hoarded money and would lend at high interest rates which most resented for profitting from misfortunes.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/reporter-incites-occupy-d-c-riot-write-180750896.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39522825/ns/business-real_estate/t/leading-us-private-land-owners/
Herman Cain on Occupy Wall Street
People are being paid to attend OWS rallies??
LOL i smell a soros.
I could believe that. I don't, but I could.
SO!!!!!!
bloggersuxass
I'm down for a good conspiracy theory but without supporting evidence your accusation is meritless, Sir.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/10/right-wing_site.php
"Working Families Party Executive Director Dan Cantor said when I asked him just that. "This is a standard... job description for our entry level canvassing position. We hire workers year round to knock on doors and discuss our agenda, including public financing of elections, Wall Street greed, job creation, and a lot more."
That being said, I also smell the sulfurous stench of Soros and other globalist minions.
http://www.truthseekersvideo.com/news/28567_occupy-wall-street-a-globalist-op.html
If George Soros is funding (OWS)
then so what!.
So... world government is bad for so many reasons!
Occupy stuff:
http://fifcolumn.blogspot.com/2011/10/road-to-new-world-order-is-paved-with.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNeeS0HXQo
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2011/09/23/should-u-s--call-halt-to-predator-drone-strikes.html
http://www.homeloans.org/the-stats-on-walmart/
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1263316
Herman cain's speech at his press conference today was just excellent. He sucks though.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/267346/understanding-the-outbreak
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/267350/find-the-wizard-alien
Does anyone believe that all human beings have an inherent right to land? Why or why not?
I dont understand. What context? Oz.
As in like... Do we all as living human beings have a self-evident claim to the natural resources we need for our continued survival? (Assuming of course there are more than enough to go around.)
Wow, too many variables. First of all could we all agree to remove the profit margin from these resources, are these resources confined to a nation and how does trade, export and import play in it? I heard someone talk about the oil embargo of 73. Us support to Israel was involved but the man claimed removing the gold standard from the dollar is what caused it. Oil nations were receiving less for their product. I would say yes but I could not supply you any more than a one world government solution. Oz.
Sounds like a lot of nonsense...
Look what people want is to be treated fairly. We want the 1% to be held accountable for things they do that maybe bad for the country. You have a power elite's
all through the history of the world. It's reality so deal with it!.
"Don't let yourself be limited by tradition, if we all did that we'd still live in caves." Sean Kennedy
Oz,
Removing the profit from natural resources is a neat idea. I was thinking more along the lines of fertile land and water not oil and stuff but i suppose that too ought to be tossed around. Since we can't even get national and state governments to work right then i don't think world government would help anything to say the least.
I had to really think about your response, i apprieciate the food for thought. I wasn't talking about how it all might work, really i'm just trying to figure how to put into words that all humans have a basic right to live and to at least have access to the natural resources they need to continue living.
Solutions may present themselves once the problem is defined.
Like, it's a fact that we don't all have access to what we need to survive, clearly evident by the homeless who have little or no rights to even BE anywhere. Most people have to live in compact cities and work for corporate or governmental structures to get by. I see those as problems but it seems that lots of folks don't so it's hard to try and brainstorm for solutions when we can't come to an agreement about what the problems are.
I think this is interesting:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-police-mayor.html
Jnonymous,
Your focus seems to be more on punishing some people instead of making things better for most people. I'm not sure that people care as much about fairness and accountability for bad things that the 1% do, i think its more about things increasingly getting worse for the 99% of the population that does not run things.
Change happens whether we want it to or not and how that change is shaped is our choice, unless we continually give our freedom of choice away to elitists. I think the 99% just want some of our choice back from the 1%.
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