The Justice Files: These are the people that lead us?

Friday, August 22, 2008

These are the people that lead us?

I started out just wanting to put up this about a fight between to Democratic party folks. But, as I read on through the links and saw the actual star coverage( at least on their blog) I was saddened to see the obvious cover up in the charachterizations by Kraske.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...: What the hell you complaining about. You have done the same shit on your radio show.

BIGDOG; Saturday, August 23, 2008 at 6:06:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_videos/wtc_videos.html

Chew on this final report from NIST on wtc7.

Miles is always quoting NIST and twisting there reports. I figured he would appreciate the FINAL report on wtc7. I thought you said no investigations were about. Here is another investigation and i bet you wont like the answers.

Oh MTJ. Your buddy Doc cant wait to find one word out of a thousand pages to hang his hat on. Per usaul i might add. Oh and get this there was major damge done to wtc7. I single point that destroys what the Doc said.

BIGDONG n jo azz!!!; Saturday, August 23, 2008 at 6:15:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Your link doesn't work, Lil'Puss. But, from what I recall reading, they claim it collapsed (ultimately) due to fire...the first time in history fire brought down a building that size. Does the lack of proof for demolition negate the idea that the Bush administration was complicit in the attacks? I don't think so.

-Marcus; Saturday, August 23, 2008 at 7:36:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Same thing they were saying in the BBC video.

Still not one word on the evidence of Thermite, so they are obviously prepackaging their response. Essentially they were there to tell how it could have happened without a controlled collapse, and they came up with the only random possibility they could think of. Also, still no explanation on the high temperature from the NASA photos or the eyewitness reports of molten metal.

Secondly, I still question the nearly symmetrical fall if randomly spread and random temperature fires weakened the core column joints.

Third, This is not a criminal investigation. You want me to shut up about an investigation, then convince the administration to fire everyone that the 9/11 commission report says failed to defend our country, including the Vice President. Oh, and tell them to quit lying about Osama being responsible and Muhammed Atta's ISI money

Fourth, All three buildings collapsed due to fire related causes. How long until fire codes nationwide are required to be upgraded to prevent a disaster such as this from happening again?

Fifth, there is still no explanation as to how anyone knew that building would fall ahead of time. As Marcus (and NIST) said, it's the first building of its size to have a global failure started by fire alone. Without precedent, who could have predicted such an event? Another thing for the criminal investigation to look at, how did Guiliani and Reuters/BBC know prior to collapse that the building would fall?

Face it, this NIST report is to shut up the fence sitters who only questioned building 7, and is not intended to address the real debate on how building 7 came down.

-Miles; Saturday, August 23, 2008 at 9:00:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: I told you. you wouldnt like the answers. Judging by your response you havent read that report. So why comment on something you havent read.

Oh....ummm....DUH!!! Thermite doesnt burn on for days. Satelite images does show some high temps but NO WAY does thermite burn for days. I remember these images being taken some 36 hours later, not sure the exact timeline. Again read up on these things you wont sound so ignorant.

Marcus. I never said this governent wasnt complacent. In fact, in a way i discussed before, im glad they are. However Marcus...my lilpuss licker. I will say this. They tramp on our rights because you scream complacancies. Then you deserve what you get and ill be the first to punch your lights out...lol

BTW still no response from the head NUTJOB!!! I love shutin libs up...LMAO!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!!! DALDB!!!!; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 6:48:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: BTW....BULLSHIT marcpuss. The link does work.; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 6:53:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: They trample our rights because we scream complacencies? First of all, complacency is a far cry from complicity. Secondly, you are 'okay' with our rights being trampled?...for whatever reason? I suppose that is because you, my brother, are a coward. That would also explain the handle 'Bigdog'- you're trying to project a machismo you do not possess (making Lil'Puss an appropriate nickname). So far as punching my lights out- well, I think that speaks for itself. You can talk to your wife and kids like that but, people (like me) exist who don't cower to violence. I think you should direct that anger where it belongs, at the Bush administration. I will be happy to show you a path with less anger if you will open your eyes to see it.

-Marcus; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 7:34:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: BTW- you're right about the link, my mistake.; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 7:36:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Wow. I must say first off. There wasnt a threat made. What i said, i said, in a joking manor. Notice the 'lol' at the end. But twist things if you want...lol

In order for the government to be less complacent, our rights would have to be trampled on. Your twisting things again. So you bitch about the patriot act, you want open borders for the ill suffering, and then you scream dont fuck with my rights and dont be complacent all at once? WTF!!!! You decide dillrod. You cant have both issues and lock down everything airtight and expect your rights to remain. You libs change your mind as much as you do your diapers?

My handle BIGDOG was given to me by a football friend back in high school. It has been a part of my identity for 30+ years. You want to twist things more or just another poor attempt at being insulting? BTW i can throw it too you know.

If machismo is sticking the BIGDONG to the libs and nutjobs. Then let it be written....lol

You say i hate?

Im a coward?

I have been to 4 kkfi meetings. I know MT personally. Been on air three times. I never seen you there once. This latest meet and greet, i was unable to attend. No sir, im not a coward. I would be glad to show you at the next meeting.

Oh and i wont forget your notion about how i talk to my family. An attempt to use verbage as a way to insult me take a stab at me using my family? Oh i see this is what you call machismo. WELL!!!! This my friend i do not 'lol' about. So be carefull of wich you speek with any matter pertaining to my family.

Funny how you want to show me a path with less anger, while in the same breath you dont cower to violence. Your attempt to make me angry has failed. Typical double-standard liberal douschebag play. Your game is boring to me marcpuss or is it marked-puss.

BIGDOG; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 4:28:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Internet Fight!!!

lol

"Thermite doesnt burn on for days. Satelite images does show some high temps but NO WAY does thermite burn for days."

No Thermite melts metal, and what happens when molten metal pools up with asbestos, chairs, tables, desks, drywall, ceiling tile, and then gets piled on (insulated) with concrete and steel?; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 6:18:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Lil'Puss, why can't you see the difference here...you say 'complacent' I said 'complicit'. Apparently, you're still as fucking retarded as you used to be. Perhaps, we can continue that line later, after you've looked at a dictionary.

Oh, I get it,"Punch my lights out", that's fuckin' hilarious! I can't believe I missed that one. Such wit goes right over my head.

Yes, I say you hate. Yes, I say you're a coward. I call anyone who would be 'okay' with their rights being trampled a coward and worse.

I have been to a meeting and I have met MT, as well. What the fuck does that have to do with anything, aside from you making another "joking" threat about wanting to try and beat me up?

You are ignorant and violent. That combination exists in every domestic abuse household. You don't impress me, Lil'Puss, and you can't scare me. You don't want to be insulted- don't be such an asshole!

My offer still stands.

-Marcus; Sunday, August 24, 2008 at 8:40:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: There was no evidence of molten steel pooling up. There was evidence of high temps in certain areas. Most were outside of the footprint zone.

Take your act else where marked-puss. You have been, since jump street, egging me on. Starting with you calling me names first. i scoffed at it and turned it back to you. Thats right you started this shit. Now its onto my family because your antagonistic behaviour, towards me directly, didnt work. Leave my family out of it, is all i am asking. Some line you draw between coward and whatnots. A coward stands behind the net and belittles a mans household. OK!! cyber-tough-guy. You want to attack my beloved, i will respond when i see you. Take it any way you want. Take it as a threat. Take it as a warning. In fact take it in your crack pipe. I dont care. You leave my family out of it. For you to assume there is domestic violence in my household is insane. Just let it go dood. If you cant control your shit talking, then perhaps a beatdown is in order. Can i get violent. You betcha. My life isnt centered around violence. My life is centered on my family. Respect it!! Period!! If i need to get violent with you, i can. However none of us will win in that situation, so chill your ass out.

The point about being on air and to the meet and greets was this. I have met my foes and had great conversations with them, no violence either. Showing up in my book isnt cowardly. You on the other, better stop with this conjecture of violence in my family. So again watch your step. The only asshole here is you, talking shit on my family. So STOP!!! Last time i say anything to you on this matter.

I know what complicit means. You obviously dont. You are asserting they did knowingly do something.
SHOWME YOUR EVIDENCE!!

I'll except your offer. Lets have dinner and discuss how solving complacancies will effect your rights.

BIGDOG; Monday, August 25, 2008 at 2:27:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: fast forward to 2020. The same debate continues between you ladies as Congress passes the 100% income tax...for the children. The 9/11 nuts lost. Its grassy knoll, black helicopter time...paragon radio.; Monday, August 25, 2008 at 5:07:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Oh, yeah! The memory hole is foul!

OZ.; Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 4:37:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: I know what complicit means. You obviously dont. You are asserting they did knowingly do something.
SHOWME YOUR EVIDENCE!!
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Lets see, "Rebuilding America's Defenses", Norman Manetta (spelling?) Testimony (omitted from commmission) Bush and Cheney's odd testimony regulations, Able Danger, Meetings with General Ahmed and the wire transfer to Atta, NIST constantly putting more holes in the official story while attempting to cover them up, BBC changing positions on where they got advanced reports on building 7 collapse, Osama being a former CIA asset, Al Quaida formerly being US backed Mujahadeen (Thanks Zbignew), The FBI admitting involvement in the first wtc bombing

Everything above is known by the US government. Most of the above was DONE by people inside the US government.

Evidence of them KNOWingly DOING something.

-Miles; Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 12:02:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Miles your not making any sense whatsoever. You think they are complicit. You dont know. YOU CANT PROVE IT. YOU ARE NOT THINKING RATIONAL. Until you prove they knowingly pulled off 9-11, and all the in-betweens you mentioned above. Then you sir, are a complete tool. If any author would have sufficient proof to make accusations they should give it for free and let WE decide and who to remove from office.

You say all this stuff:
"Testimony (omitted from commmission) Bush and Cheney's odd testimony regulations"

This has nothing to do with the attack on 9-11, as to say those two knowingly did it. They dont have to testify under oath and nor was it mandatory. To bad you didnt get your testimony. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWER!!

"Able Danger" and "the wire transfer to Atta"

These two are related.
Im the one who told you about this. Let me makes this clear. There was a major fuckup, a complacancy beyond immagination. One thing that held up this thing was removed by the patriot act. An act you bitch about and NOW YOUR RIGHTS are ruined and now you scream they are complicit. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWER!!

"Meetings with General Ahmed"
Are you saying this meeting took place and Ahmed is directly involed in 9-11? YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWER!!

"NIST constantly putting more holes in the official story while attempting to cover them up"

No...it just doesnt support your story. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS!!

"BBC changing positions on where they got advanced reports on building 7 collapse"

They never changed their position, you boofers tried to change it for them. I even told, 2 years ago, on air what happened and shared the timeline. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS!!

"Osama being a former CIA asset, Al Quaida formerly being US backed Mujahadeen (Thanks Zbignew),"

He may have been an asset but he wasnt trained nor was he paid directly by the CIA. Afghanistan received moneys and weopons through our CIA contacts in that region, via our government.

Furthermore. A man involved in 1993wtc attack was a CIA asset, but he played the moles role/triple spy. An element within our government, on our CIA payroll, advising our CIA about radical muslims, acted on his own, fisciliating alot of events you have no idea about and only one you are (1993). He was considered the most dangerous man alive. He was even spying on Russia, via our Cia and his radical Muslim contacts in that region. You find out his name and READ all about it.

Im sorry miles but you sir need to get this through your head. I research and read alot. Judging by what you are saying, you dont. I dont believe everything i read neither. My BS detector flashes alot around you.

You cut short at how it must be true, no more research needed. IF....IF....IF it sheds negative light on our government and Miles thinking:" i know our government is evil, capitalist fat cats, wanting everyone to die for them, so they can make a dollar." Yeh that sums it up nicely. Lord knows i have heard you enough to know what you thing. Man thats scary...lol

Oh and please show me this shit about the FBI admitting involvement in 1993 wtc attempt. (HOW SO??)

Dont give me no pissed off former FBI aide or some shit. Nor some author who wrote a book of assertions, just to make a dollar. How much did Manetta make off you nutjobs anyways. I guess you think because its in a book it accurate?

BIGDONG n jo azz!!!; Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 7:13:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Lets get one thing straight first off.

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Miles thinking:" i know our government is evil, capitalist fat cats, wanting everyone to die for them, so they can make a dollar." Yeh that sums it up nicely.
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You have this all wrong. This has 2 things to do with money. Jack and Shit.

This is about control and power. Read "Rebuilding America's Defenses" again. Watch "Endgame". I mean dear god, listen to these world leaders ramble on about the New World Order. Even Sakashviili (sp?) was on Glen Beck the other day talking about how Russia threatens the future of the New World Order.

It's about turning the whole planet into China. You can call me a cook, a nut, tin foil hat, whatever. But you know the microchip is out there, You know SPP is out there. They do these things because the constitution is a "Goddamn peice of paper" (-George W. Bush) and they want terror legislation so they can trample citizen's rights. Then once the constitution is no good anymore, they push for an erasure of borders through global unions. 9/11 was a big part of advancing these agendas. Even Isreal has come out and said that if it wasn't for 9/11 they would not have as much global support.

Our nation has been taken over, not by capitalists, but by globalists. Be it capitalism or socialism, when the economy, military policy, and now even politics, become global institutions, the rights of Americans become secondary to the plans of the leaders.

This is why I cannot support McCain or Obama, they have both come out in recent weeks calling for globalism. Obama's "Global Communities" speech and McCain's "League of Democracies" speech.

If you don't see these dangerous paths our country is headed, and how it all leads back to 9/11 then you got beer goggles on sir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing#FBI_involvement

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

These, and 9/11 are a few examples.

I know you don't like Alex Jones, but go watch Terrorstorm and Endgame, and try to find false information for yourself.

Bankers have been funding both sides of wars for centuries, and Governments have carried out false flag operations through most of that time to instigate these wars.
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"How much did Manetta make off you nutjobs anyways. I guess you think because its in a book it accurate?"
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No its because he testified to it in congressional testimony, and I believe that Manetta would have more to fear from lying to congress than Cheney.; Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 10:10:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: "Meetings with General Ahmed"
Are you saying this meeting took place and Ahmed is directly involed in 9-11? YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWER!!

No, I'm saying Ahmed supports Terrorists, and US government officials support Ahmed.

Whatever happened to "Those who support terror are our enemy"?
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"No...it just doesnt support your story. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS!!"

Then you tell me how anyone would have known in advance that this thermal expansion phenomenon, that never happened before, would have brought that building down?
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"BBC changing positions on where they got advanced reports on building 7 collapse"

They never changed their position, you boofers tried to change it for them. I even told, 2 years ago, on air what happened and shared the timeline. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS!!

Are telling me that prior to "Finding" their tapes on the next shelf, they came clean about getting wire reports from Reuters?

I'm sorry, but you figuring it out is a little different than the BBC telling where they got it.
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"Osama being a former CIA asset, Al Quaida formerly being US backed Mujahadeen (Thanks Zbignew),"

"He may have been an asset but he wasnt trained nor was he paid directly by the CIA. Afghanistan received moneys and weopons through our CIA contacts in that region, via our government."

.....And now we're doing the same with tribal groups in Iraq. You'd think that the United States Government and our defense department would learn how to attempt to deal with our "allied freedom fighter groups" directly.

-Miles; Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 10:26:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Miles: "You have this all wrong. This has 2 things to do with money. Jack and Shit."

No i dont. I have it right. you just change it to globalists. BTW to have control and power you have to have the money.

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Once again, Miles believeing anything he reads, without researching what people say or who makes a report. To many times for me to count.

"They do these things because the constitution is a "Goddamn peice of paper" (-George W. Bush) and they want terror legislation so they can trample citizen's rights."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html

"Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories.
The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.

We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers."
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Nowhere did it read that the FBI was directly involved in the bombing of 1993. Another twisted story of yours. They were not involved, complacent in thinking noone has the balls to attack the US on our soil. They got information from an egyptian informant, who was fueding with the FBI and started recording things. Agreeing to a sting operation, wich never fell into place, the FBI decided to get greedy and catch more than just those plotting for wtc 1993. In fact they never believed it would happen on American soil, but heard about all these different plots from this informant and the 1993 being one of the many. The FBI did deny knowing anything, but considering what was at risk and their spy games, i dont blame them. Thats why they put Salem in the witness protection program because he was being used to penetrate these groups (plural).

QUOTED FROM YOUR ARTICLE:
Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.
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Ummmm... i dont know where you got your information but Rebuilding America's Defenses was not authored by Norman Manetta. Norman Manetta was the Transportation secutary. So again i dont know where you get your erroneous info. Oh i know INFOWARS....YAYYYYYY!!!
In my opinion this RAD is just an extra extension or continuation of the Carter Doctrine.
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These are just a few examples of your idiocy. Im sorry Miles you have a problem. Im not like you, i dont believe anything with the credulousness you do.

BIGDONG n jo azz!!; Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 1:51:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: I KNOW MTJ PERSONALLY.POOR GUY!!!WHAT WAS THE CEMENT MIX ITS RATING I BET I GET A I DONT KNOW.; Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 8:01:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: No i dont. I have it right. you just change it to globalists. BTW to have control and power you have to have the money.
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"Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild

It isn't about getting the money, its about who controls the money being able to control the power and control.

The United States Dollar and who HAS them is insignificant to who controls the global governmental structures.

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Nowhere did it read that the FBI was directly involved in the bombing of 1993.

Read again, they fucking were funding the bomber, knowingly! Giving him bomb materials!

So the intel got fucked up, and shit went wrong...who cares, they were knowingly supporting terrorists, and as every instance i've pointed out in this thread, when the US government has supported terrorists its come back to haunt us.
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Ummmm... i dont know where you got your information but Rebuilding America's Defenses was not authored by Norman Manetta.

I never said it did. I know you aren't a good reader, Bigdog, but stick with it. You'll be literate soon.

-Miles; Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 8:03:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: I am...a gay american!

-Miles; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 4:26:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: You still cant comprehend your own fucking articles you tell me to read. This is getting old Miles.

So i missed on the Manetta, thank you for the correction.

As far as reading comprehension and literacy. Your own article stateed their purpose with this mole. They were not supporting terrorists and supplying them with bomb making material (fake powder). You bring it up, as to lay charge to the FBI. A charge you lied about and atleast intellectually dishonest. They were supporting a SPY (fake powder) to penetrate the group, not the terrorists being spied upon.

To summarize all this, your full of shit and i know it. Im done with you because you are dishonest and you cant carry on a conversation with a dishonest individual. Thats why i no longer call MTJ show. Hes the same way.

Besides i am moving on to bigger and better things and you have no clue as to why i say goodbye and good riddance. Hope you live in your paranoia...ummmm...peacefully?

BIGDONG n jo azz!!!; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 6:38:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Oh and i guess im done with the guy who said the offer still stood. Wheres the guy saying he is not afraid and does not cower to violence. Where is the guy who calls me a coward. If dinner is violent then lets do lunch....lol

I guess iw as right....huh??? marked-puss.

BIGDOG; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 8:09:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: "Besides i am moving on to bigger and better things and you have no clue as to why i say goodbye and good riddance." -Lil'Puss

Hallelujah!; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 9:06:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Thats what i thought pussy. You dont want to help, you are all talk. COWARD!!!

I knew it...pussy. Meet me for lunch COWARD!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! talk shit and get called on it.....ROFLMMFAO!!!!!

Didnt know athiests used Hallelujah. Guess its the only thing you taught me.

Bye bye marked-puss. Lunch still stands, care to?

BIGDOG; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 9:30:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Sure. caficho644@hotmail.com is my e-mail. I work graveyard, so let's make it a late meet.; Friday, August 29, 2008 at 9:34:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: a late...meat

fags; Saturday, August 30, 2008 at 3:38:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: I'm the one full of shit.

Yet you're the one telling me I'm crazy for believing that there are elements within the government so driven towards creating a controlled global society that they would kill a few thousand people to do it.

When you come on here and see the probelms with Able Danger, the wire transfers, the evidence against Osama, etc. and you chock them up to bureaucracy and incompetence.

So when they pass something like the patriot act to "fix" the problems as you stated earlier you're down with it.

As far as supporting a spy, how did it end? Thats right, with a big boom. I guess one man's spy is another man's terrorist.

As far as factcheck.org link you posted, the guy says he has three sources inside the white house. And apparently wants to use this quote against them.

"Should we believe what you print simply because you say it is so?

Absolutely not. You should read many publications and draw your own conclusions."

I think we can understand that no news organization has always gotten it 100% right 100% of the time. I mean look at the news organizations just this week that reported that Alex Jones "Attacked" Michelle Malkin, calling for her death. They didn't get the story 100% right.

But that wasn't the point.

I can retract my use of the Bush quote and use a Cheney one.

"So?" -Cheney when asked about approval ratings.

Isn't this a government that is supposed to rule with consent of the governed? A representative republic where our elected leaders are supposed to resemble at least a portion of the nation's values? This mindset clearly shows that Bush and Cheney are on their own agenda.

That agenda was clearly mapped out in "Rebuilding America's Defenses"

I'm a nutjob for thinking that when Cheney, Jeb, Abrams, Libby, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, and Armitage sat down and wrote that shit they weren't just making shit up that happened to resemble what happened once they were part of the US government.

But as always, you never really respond when I have shit right....how are those media assignments i gave you coming, and how about that information on the BBC i asked for?

Also, instead of actually examining what I really HAD to say about the Norman Manetta issue, you go off on some incoherent tangent, then when you figure out what I'm talking about, you completely don't have a thing to say about it?

So lets examine who's full of shit.

Lets re examine the list I posted.

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" --
no comment from you

Norman Manetta Testimony (omitted from commmission)--
That odd fight thing we had, but no true response

Bush and Cheney's odd testimony regulations --
No comment from you

Able Danger -- You agree that this was a major loophole, but you don't believe it was intentional, understood your position before i brought it up

Meetings with General Ahmed and the wire transfer to Atta - You don't see any wrongdoing, and assume the patriot act "fixed" this? (even though I responded saying allies supporting terrorists and you had no response to my claim)

NIST constantly putting more holes in the official story while attempting to cover them up - You've taken each of my claims in a different direction (I'll relist them here..1. if a core joint failure can happen from fire couldnt they happen from a small lesser detected amount of explosives? and 2. if "Thermal Expansion" is a new phenomenon, how did anyone have a clue that building was going to come down?)

BBC changing positions on where they got advanced reports on building 7 collapse - I'm still waiting for you to answer me on "They never changed their position" Which implies that before they found the tapes they came clean about getting the report from reuters. I know I never heard that before the latest BBC documentary, so where do you get this information???

Osama being a former CIA asset, Al Quaida formerly being US backed Mujahadeen (Thanks Zbignew)- We discussed this, and understand the government's fuck up here (even though I call it a complaicent fuck up, but no proof, just my thoughts on it)

The FBI admitting involvement in the first wtc bombing - This is one of the only points where you have even chosen to challenge a discussion to its fullest, yet you still don't seem to get my point about government sponsorship of terror, be it intentional or not.

Lest these facts be too great for refutal, Why should not I list more?

Gulf on Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Failure to defend Pearl Harbor

-Miles; Saturday, August 30, 2008 at 6:26:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: One last time for old time sake. Anything you post after this i will no longer respond.

Miles: "I'm the one full of shit."
Yes indeed you are.

1)Miles:"I'm crazy for believing that there are elements within the government so driven towards creating a controlled global society that they would kill a few thousand people to do it."

Well you see, here is another fine example of you being full of shit. You have stated all along that you never said that the Government murdered over 3000 people on 9-11. Now you are.

2)"When you come on here and see the probelms with Able Danger, the wire transfers, the evidence against Osama, etc. and you chock them up to bureaucracy and incompetence."

I believe the riff between the CIA and the FBI was solved using the patriot act. An Act you dont like and yet i told you. You bitch about complacancy, cant prove complicities and then gripe they did something to aide there agendas. Show me where all these rights have been violated, using the Patriot Act.

3) We support spies all the time. Its never gaurunteed to meet the Miles standard of approval. yet through this same spy they stopped more planned attacks. Oooooops something you failed to mention in your own article...fat chance huh...lol

4).....that Alex Jones "Attacked" Michelle Malkin, calling for her death. They didn't get the story 100% right.

Ummmm...i have seen the video of it all. Have you???

5) "I can retract my use of the Bush quote and use a Cheney one."

Yeh i can see that in his response it was riddled with 9-11 strategies. Wich BTW that quote has nothing to do with you chargeing the government with murder. In fact

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" --
no comment from you

Yeh no shit because i spent a day reading it. Maybe you should too. You got alot of the names wrong and you failed to mention this was approved, project made well under Clinton in 1997. You failed to mention the tremendous amount of debate that went on in 1998. However you claim this project for the american century outlines the strategies to murder over 3000 of its own citizens to bring into fruition the new world order/globalism. Man you are full of shit.

"The project proceeded by holding a
series of seminars. We asked outstanding defense specialists to write papers to explore a variety of topics: the future missions and
requirements of the individual military services, the role of the reserves, nuclear strategic doctrine and missile defenses, the
defense budget and prospects for military modernization, the state (training and readiness) of today’s forces, the revolution
in military affairs, and defense-planning for theater wars, small wars and constabulary operations. The papers were circulated to a
group of participants, chosen for their experience and judgment in defense affairs. (The list of participants may be found at the
end of this report.) Each paper then became the basis for discussion and debate. Our
goal was to use the papers to assist deliberation, to generate and test ideas, and to assist us in developing our final report.
While each paper took as its starting point a shared strategic point of view, we made no attempt to dictate the views or direction of the individual papers. We wanted as full and as diverse a discussion as possible.
Our report borrows heavily from those deliberations."

Roger Barnett
U.S. Naval War College

Alvin Bernstein
National Defense University

Stephen Cambone
National Defense University

Eliot Cohen
Nitze School of Advanced International
Studies, Johns Hopkins University

Devon Gaffney Cross
Donors' Forum for International Affairs

Thomas Donnelly
Project for the New American Century

David Epstein
Office of Secretary of Defense,
Net Assessment

David Fautua
Lt. Col., U.S. Army

Dan Goure
Center for Strategic and International Studies

Donald Kagan
Yale University

Fred Kagan
U. S. Military Academy at West Point

Robert Kagan
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Robert Killebrew
Col., USA (Ret.)

William Kristol
The Weekly Standard

Mark Lagon
Senate Foreign Relations Committee

James Lasswell
GAMA Corporation I.

********YAHTZEE********
Lewis Libby
Dechert Price & Rhoads
***********************

Robert Martinage
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Phil Meilinger
U.S. Naval War College

Mackubin Owens
U.S. Naval War College

Steve Rosen
Harvard University

Gary Schmitt
Project for the New American Century

Abram Shulsky
The RAND Corporation

Michael Vickers
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Barry Watts
Northrop Grumman Corporation

******* YAHTZEE**********
Paul Wolfowitz
Nitze School of Advanced International
Studies, Johns Hopkins University
*************************

Dov Zakheim
System Planning Corporation

The above list of individuals participated in at least one project meeting or contributed a paper for discussion. The report is a product solely of the Project for the New American Century and does not necessarily represent the views of the project participants or their affiliated institutions.

6)"But as always, you never really respond when I have shit right...."

Ummm so far i think you are batting well below .100, you are not right sir as a clearly pointed out.

7)BBC thing... i studied the timeline of the CNN report, Ingra Singh(?) 9-11 triage around wtc7 and compared it to Reuters timeline and their report. I also made it clear on air over two years ago, maybe less, but it doesnt matter. MTJ didnt listen to me and neither are you. Came to my conclusion and was right. No i dont have all that info readilly available. Its out there and i found it, maybe you could too.

The Manneta thing, you corrected me on. The department of transportation secutary has what to do with 9-11.Somehow becuase his testimony was omitted doesnt prove anything. Its only you speculating what it means. Gathering from your MO its about him saying how complicit bush and Cheny and all those neo-cons you mentioned before. yet you got those names wrong also. More shit to shovel eh...miles?

MORE TO COME!!

BIGDONG n jo azz!!!; Saturday, August 30, 2008 at 7:58:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: 8)"Bush and Cheney's odd testimony regulations --
No comment from you"

BULLSHIT READ UP DUMBASS!!!

9)"Meetings with General Ahmed and the wire transfer to Atta - You don't see any wrongdoing, and assume the patriot act "fixed" this? (even though I responded saying allies supporting terrorists and you had no response to my claim)"

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a041600almihdharintelligence

You need to read up on the whole thing. The best explaination i have found is above (bookmarked in my files readilly available). You assume i see nothing wrong with it and you assume i said the patriot fixed it....BULLSHIT ASSERTIONS AGAIN!!! What i see wrong, is your overall BULLSHIT, assertions and half truths you are trying to feed me. This is why i say its hard to carry on a conversation with an ill-informed nut job...lol

Saeed Sheikh is the one responsible and so was someone in the UAE. Gen. Mehmood Ahmed was fired from the ISI 'for his ties and phone calls with Shiekh around the tim eof the transfers. He consulting senior officials in the U.S. administration in the weeks before and after 9/11. Thats why they were meeting before 9-11 he was a ISI consultant to the US.
I KNOW YOU HAVE EXAMINED ALL ANGLES!!!!! RIGHT???.....NOT!!!

10) "1. if a core joint failure can happen from fire couldnt they happen from a small lesser detected amount of explosives?"

NO the experts claim the amount of explosives needed would be detected by siesmographs. The echos showed no explosions as i have clearly pointed out before. Upper level core supports were ripped out by the airplanes also. Lease we forget this one point also Miles. The one thing never explained by you nutjobs is this. Given the impacts, fireballs, furnitures burning, office equipment, fuel, electrical boxes blowing...etc. How is it all this fire DID NOT pre-ignite anything these troofers say would have brought down these buildings.

11) "2. if "Thermal Expansion" is a new phenomenon, how did anyone have a clue that building was going to come down?)"

It is not a new phenomenon. Its taught in basic metal shop coarses in jr high school. Its not a new phenom. The biggest clue was the moaning and popping. An overall sense of knowing this thing is comeing down. Fire Chief on the scene said so, to sum him up.

7) Revisited
"On September 11, 2001, Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Centre, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."

I still cant find the article sighting this happening.

12)Gulf on Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Failure to defend Pearl Harbor

G of T is part of history. An incident happened on aug 2 1964 and it didnt on aug 4. Yes they lied to cover their ass. It has nothing to do with 9-11. However you asserted it does. How so?

Operation Northwoods was never approved nor executed. Bay of pigs did happen tho.

Failure to defend pearl harbor. The japanees tricked us during peace negotiations. WTF!!! how does that have anything to do with 9-11.

BIGDONG n jo AZZ!!!

I will not be responding anymore. BYE BYE!!!; Saturday, August 30, 2008 at 9:31:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Handwritten, notarized, signed confessions. Was that so much to ask, Miles? Oh well, roll the fuckin' credits...; Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 7:55:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Well, a very interesting response, that still doesn't answer my questions in point.

1)"I'm crazy for believing that there are elements within the government so driven towards creating a controlled global society that they would kill a few thousand people to do it."

Well you see, here is another fine example of you being full of shit. You have stated all along that you never said that the Government murdered over 3000 people on 9-11. Now you are.
--

I am? Re-read it, I never said anything about 9/11. I was generalizing. Yes, 9/11 was included as a possibility under the generalization, but so is the wars we are fighting, or the eugenics programs throughout history, or the Nazi concentration camps of world war II.

2)I still maintain, that the US government to this day, has NOT made a single point linking Osama Bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks, and those known to have involvement were not invaded, not highly publicized when the administration wants to push policy, and those responsible for the failures of that day have never truly been held accountable.

I want to know that these issues are being fixed in order to stop future terror attacks. If this administration wants me to believe it's tough on Terror, blame the right "Terrorists" and fire those who are incompetent when it comes to our defense.

"Show me where all these rights have been violated, using the Patriot Act."

I would, except, under provisions of the patriot act, you can't find out when it's being used against you!!

The Patriot Act was written BEFORE 9/11. Any problems between the CIA and FBI could have been fixed without the broad reaching powers granted the executive by the Patriot act.

The most sourced possible violations of rights are the library lists, bank records, and sneak and peek authorizations.

Whether any of this has been done (other than in the Elliot Spitzer case) nobody could possibly know

3) I honestly am stumped by this. You're right, there is no way around bedding with evil. Still, I am reminded of the Iran Contra drug smuggling and setup of Ricky Ross, and the few things we talked about earlier...and I just don't like it one bit that our country feels it has to resort to "Evil" to get things accomplished and keep us safe. I believe non-intervention around the world could keep us safe as well, and that our foreign policy of having military around the world is what incites systemic hatred of the US.

4) Yes, and he did not threaten nor "Attack" her, at least any more than she attacked him and the 68' people on her blog.

...and 1 video doesn't show everything that happened. I've watched about 4 different angles, and know exactly what happened.

Alex Jones spots her,(and there is a man in a white cap taking photos of her and talking.) walks over smirking, and in a quiet calm voice, asks her about her book and the lies about the Marines and the puppy. Her friends stand between them, one takes his forearm and nudges one of alex's crew's cameras. This is when Alex becomes loud. About this time the crowd gathers, and Alex gets separated from her, and screams "Where's Malkin, don't let her leave" as this guy in a green shirt walks up and says something like "I love you, I seen you in Chicago" then poses with Alex and wearechange's Luke Rudkowski. Alex begins yelling at her about her supporting "Throwing Americans in FEMA camps" when the guy in the green shirt starts chanting "Kill Michelle Malkin", and snickering and laughing. At this point Luke waves his hand in the guy's face and says "Be quiet" Then they begin to question her about 9/11

At this time you hear the green shirt guy say something about "Alex Jones is a Capitalist Stooge in a (inaudible) shirt"

It is about this time when a member of wearechange Colorado finds the guy in the white cap telling police that Alex had threatened to "Kill Malkin" and filmed it, then corrected the guy.

Then Malkin starts walking towards the other side of the street, and Alex again says "Don't let her leave she's with fox news,wants to put Americans in Fema camps" and the other stuff from earlier...calling her a monster etc. shouting as she leaves.

Also, a separate video of the 68' people "levitation" chanting shows the green shirt guy grab the mic of their bullhorn and say "If you had jobs you wouldn't be begging in front of the mint." And the white cap guy can clearly be seen right after that (after he took photos) giving a spooky look as he's walking away

Now, my opinion?

She is a public Neocon. While I agree she had "freedom" to be there, I'm saying it was not wise.

Cheney wouldn't have just walked into a crowd of activists, neither should she.

Judging by her article, she went there for the sole purpose to write a hit piece about the activists, and was trying to "blend in"

In my opinion, Alex was attempting to alert about the wolf amongst the sheep. This is why he repeatedly yelled "She's with Fox News"

5)They mentioned new pearl harbor and almost perfectly described the strategy they used for the war on terror. The authors mean naught to me because they were all in the same thinktank.

6)depends on the analysis

7)Unless you work for BBC, you pointing towards Reuters for the source doesnt mean shit to me, the BBC are the ones that when asked about the source started shouting "Conspiracy Theorists"

And Mineta (not Manneta, i knew i had spelling wrong) was the one, who under OATH, described a conversation between Cheney and a young guy talking about "The plane is x miles out do the orders still stand?" "of course they stand, have you heard anything to the contrary"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

8) I stand corrected, you did respond...But I still maintain that it is very suspicious to be against going under oath regarding the deaths of thousands. My apologies.

9) Copy/pasted from previous post in this thread

"""""Able Danger" and "the wire transfer to Atta"

These two are related.
Im the one who told you about this. Let me makes this clear. There was a major fuckup, a complacancy beyond immagination. One thing that held up this thing was removed by the patriot act. An act you bitch about and NOW YOUR RIGHTS are ruined and now you scream they are complicit. YOU DONT LIKE THE ANSWER!!"""""

10) So you're telling me Fire, focused on key points can bring a building down, but explosives focused on key points couldn't.

I never said that fire wasn't involved nor that fire couldn't have set off some of the charges.

I'm just saying, that to me, THERMITE charges could have very well had the SAME EFFECT on the core joints that NIST claims the fire did.

11) New for steel skyscrapers...means new phenomenon. just because your hot wheels toys melt on the stove doesn't mean there is no difference between a steel reinforced skyscraper

12) all cases of government either knowingly allowing terror or carrying terror out, in the name of gaining support for war. That's what it has to do with 9/11. To prove the character of the beast.

-Miles; Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 9:54:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Best videos Jones/Malkin that show guy in green shirt provocateur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKGnN42Cwvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOX6SBkCcK8

...below is the levitation video....the 1:23 timestamp for green shirt guy, 1:43 for white cap guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGha6OUOAc4; Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 10:01:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: ..And lest there be any doubt of Malkin's intentions at the mint protest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeAR52_0_w4

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/25/mob-scene-at-the-mint/; Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 10:16:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Who Carried Out 9/11?; Monday, September 1, 2008 at 11:22:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: O'Kerry/Biden
McBush/Milf; Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 4:33:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Amy Goodman Gets Arrested...LOL; Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 4:40:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: No blog post of McCains disaster pick? Like the fact that she pushed abstinence only in Alaska schools and her unwed 17 yr old daughter is pregnant. Or, the fact that she wanted creationism taught alongside evolution although it has NO scientific merit whatsoever. Or how about the books she wanted banned from the library when she became mayor of Wasilla because she deemed them "morally or socially objectionable":
Wrinkle in Time, Canterbury Tales, To Kill a Mockingbird, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, Flowers for Algernon, Harry Potter, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tarzan of the Apes, Twelfth Night, Catcher in the Rye, James and the Giant Peach, Lord of the Flies, My Friend Flicka, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, and much more. Of course, the librarian refused and, of course, was fired. You're probably waiting to see if she even lasts a week, I understand.

-Marcus; Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 6:26:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Who Carried Out 9/11?; Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 10:16:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Ah, Marcus...that scared, are we? Don't worry, we both know McCain is another lib like Bush. The Federal government will grow rapidly for another 4 years under John. I just wonder if, after Palin defeats Hillary in 2012, the budget will decrease. Even Marx would blush at this budget...over $3 trillion and Bush is a conservative. HA! Bush is just a heterosexual version of Marcus.; Friday, September 5, 2008 at 3:14:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You're anti-McCain and anti-Bush and anti-Marcus (and semi-retarded), what the fuck is your point? Are you that repressed androphile christian from the gay killer post?

-Marcus; Friday, September 5, 2008 at 4:10:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: What I am trying to say is...either way, you, as a traitor leftist (I repeat myself), should be happy with McCain or Obama. Either way, you, the traitor socialist, want bigger government. Both will deliver, just as Bush has. So, Microcephalic Marcus wins.; Friday, September 5, 2008 at 6:07:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: So you are argueing against this 'Microcephalic Marcus' strawman. Only, you have no argument, just ad hominem eruptions against an imaginary foe. You're obviously above any concern for the direction the country you live in is headed. Go pretend you're reading your bible.

-Marcus; Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 12:32:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: You are right, MM. You are a waste of time.; Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 10:49:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Awww, your strawman didn't talk back, if you only had a brain...

-Marcus; Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 11:08:00 PM CDT

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