Saturday, February 07, 2009

On the TARP salary cap and other things

While I was not in favor of the TARP bail out, (nor am I in favor of the current "stimulus" package) I find the outrage over the proposed salary cap and conditions to be placed on recipients of the TARP money very interesting. I can't say that I have actually heard Sean Hannity or Limbaugh say it, but I have heard "conservatives" complaining for years about welfare/food stamp recipients buying t-bone steaks or living lavishly on the dole. It seems they'd rather make sure that a poor person doesn't misspend a few hundred dollars of "my tax money" before they'd put limits on the misspending of millions of dollars of the same tax money.

Speaking of "my tax money," I don't think much can be said in favor of this so called stimulus package. It is entirely deficit spending and will only delay the inevitable. There is no way around it, we are going to have to down grade our lifestyles. This is not some hate America tirade, it is simply the facts. We, as a people, have lived beyond our means for many years. Certainly all of my adult life, 20 years, credit has been readily available. And more than available: it has been shoved down our throats. By this I mean the constant "buy! buy! buy!" mantra. From the time we we're toddlers we are taught to consume more than we we are taught to create.

and now a quote from Alan Greenspan:
When banks loan money to finance profitable endeavors, the loans are paid off rapidly and bank credit continues to be generally available. But when the business ventures financed by bank credit are less profitable and slow to pay, bankers find their loans outstanding are excessive relative to their gold reserves, and they begin to curtail new lending, usually through higher interest rates... Thus, under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economy's stability and balanced growth.

...prior to WWI, the banking system in the US was based on gold, and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went in to sharp, but short-lived recession. It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post- WWI type of disaster...
But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline- argued economic interventionists- why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely- it was claimed- there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of 12 regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported...Now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks( "paper" reserves) could serve as legal tender to pay depositors...

With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain's abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed "a mixed gold standard"; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form -- from a growing number of welfare-state advocates -- was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale...

Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy's tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. But government bonds are not backed by tangible wealth, only by the government's promise to pay out of future tax revenues, and cannot easily be absorbed by the financial markets. A large volume of new government bonds can be sold to the public only at progressively higher interest rates. Thus, government deficit spending under a gold standard is severely limited. The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which -- through a complex series of steps -- the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets.





And Ayn Rand:

A system in which the government does not nationalize the means of production, but assumes total control over the economy is fascism.

I found both of these quotes in the book Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal

Thanks to Rich Brilliant for the copy. although I'm not sire if I just never gave it back or it was a gift.

34 comments:

Jerry's Blog said...

I have been a live for 23 years. I feel like whats going on right now is a end of era of over consumption and overspending. But feel like and era of rationing and paying for the overconsumption will be happening. I don't live beyond my means but Im afraid im going to have live under my means and needs to survive. I feel America is decaying and nothing is going to stop it. And that scares the hell out of me.

Marcus said...

I hope it's the end of that era.
I think Obama is a pragmatist and a fast learner. He can tell when something isn't working and will act to correct it. I don't think he is going to do some of the major things that I'd like to see, but I don't think he's gonna give all our money away to the fucking rich like Bush was doing...FUCK, why isn't that sonuvabitch in jail yet?! The American people were wounded by the Bush administration. Instead of trying to bandage us he sent vampires to either suck you dry or turn you into one of them. The bandage Obama has is nowhere near good enough, but he seems to be trying to help, I mean he doesn't seem to want to kill anyone...yet.

Anonymous said...

Marcus I'd argue America was floating around the toilet bowl before Bush.
The catch was there was still wealth here so your Vampire analogy is slightly apt. You see they knew Outsourcing had severely wounded America but it would be a slow death. They wanted to help kill it by overspending and bloating up the deficit and taxing appropriately. You see obviously the gift of our tax money was partially to a HATE MONGER against Gays(Eric Prince, family helped start the Religious Right) and a company that basically made complete shit products I don't think any American would buy themselves or want the American government to pay for, COUGHHalliburtonCOUGH. I think if the American people had to visibly pay taxes on both of these, especially someone like Eric Prince, they wouldn't tolerate it.

Drew

Anonymous said...

http://www.geckotales.com/democrats-on-halloween.html

Anonymous said...

I think we will have positive GDP growth 2009 Q1.

Have a nice day.

Mike

Anonymous said...

Here's a Russ Type Story

Mild said...

Thermal Expansion? What?

Mild said...

several new blogs up about the shenanigans in the MO house

Anonymous said...

America 2 - Mexico 0

Marcus said...

No salary cap. The only GOOD thing in the whole mess fails. What. the. fuck.

Anonymous said...

High salaries are good. Jealous libs are bad.

Mike

Marcus said...

$400,000.00 IS a high salary. The pieces of shit don't deserve a dollar a year salary.

Anonymous said...

Why would a politician want salary caps on future campaign donors?

Mike

Anonymous said...

Of course I didn't read the bill. Its over 1,000 pages and we just got it. I did vote for it, though.

DNC+3

Anonymous said...

you gotta shake da hataz?

Anonymous said...

Miles lied on Bigdog.

I now know why Bigdog says the things he does about you guys being liars.

Anonymous said...

Fuck Miles he is an idiot.


BIGDOG

Anonymous said...

Big Dog maybe you should get of your high horse cause you are not the smartest guy in the room.

Anonymous said...

Proof that libs have a shorter life expectancy than normal Americans.

Mike

Anonymous said...

I'll get off my high horse when these idiot libs stop lieing and misleading people. Miles has no credibility and his mis-representations on Bens show is truelly laughable and will be confronted.

Miles is a fucking idiot. He also exclaimed he didnt care about 9-11anymore but uses it to try and discredit me. What a fucking idiot lib.

Example 1. Miles says (not verbatum but close enough)

"Bigdog is the type of guy that thinks PULL means pulling over a building for destruction using cable."(noting the Silverstein comment of pull it)

BTW Silverstien was refering to the operation/firemen around WTC 7and not to pull the building itself. Just like the triages had to pull their operation out of that area because of immenent danger due to collapse. A warning that came some 2-3 hours before actuall collapse.

The term Pull is a "professional demolition term" describing the usage of cable to pull the building wall over. THIS TERM IS NOT MINE, but a professional demolition term as defined by the experts, long before Silversteins quote. DOH!!!

Maybe miles and his idiot cronies want to revise definitions to fit their paranoia.

I defer to the experts and not your dumbass Miles. Miles is in cahoots with KKFI talk radio expousing their bullshit and misleading people. His context was basically saying how stupid i was to belive the professionals instead of his cronies.... Very Interesting.

He got the blog wrong also. It was on Jerrys site, not MTJ and, you never proved that the troops confuscated any guns whatsoever. He said he had proof and well he didnt. So, its my fault hes an idiot?

Furthermore i quickly pointed out how he misused a headline and didnt even bother showing a second video that showed his first video to be wrong and questioned how come he didnt post that one also. You know, giving a thorouogh examination of this soundbite/headline intellectualisms...HAHAHAHA!!!

Man this is to easy. But Miles wont hold himself accountable for his misinfo and twisting the facts to fit his paranoid agendas.

Let it be known i will be calling in this Sunday to challenge Miles to a two way conversation about what he said on Bens show. To set the record straight that is.

Marcus said...

I'm sure you'll have plenty of "impressive studies".

Anonymous said...

Eric Holder...gay.

Mike

Anonymous said...

Marcus anything that holds your attention past one second and/or is on youtube, is impressive for you...HAHAHA!!!

My standards are much much higher.

BIGDOG

Marcus said...

It has to hold my attention for 5! seconds and/or be on YouTube.

Anonymous said...

Marcus knows factorials...and is probably gay. 5! seconds is two minutes.

DJIA
11/4/08 = 9625.28
2/20/09 = 7249.54

Dow down 24.68% since election day. Maybe I should have voted Republican.

Mike

Marcus said...

Mike, I was thinking of an interview I saw with Andrew Sullivan (conservative journalist) back during the campaign season. He had a question he wanted to ask all the canidates, I wonder if you'd give your answer. If you could prevent a major terrorist attack that would kill 10s of thousands, including some of your loved ones, by having sex with a man, would you?

Anonymous said...

SOUTHWEST TRAFFICWAY AND 39 STREET!!! BRING YOUR PAINT BALL GUNS!!! BRING YOUR BB GUNS!!! BRING IT ON!!! If you wont break traffic cameras, who will?

Anonymous said...

Is that what your first date told you marcuth?

Did he send you flowers the next day?

Marcus said...

I'll take that as, "Any given Sunday!".

Anonymous said...

Obama's speech last night...gay.

Bobby Jindal's response...sucked.

Mike

Anonymous said...

$11,833 per American??? That so high it could only be one thing...the new federal budget. So-called corporate greed ain't got NOTHING on government greed. Death to the liberal enablers.

Mike (pardon the double negative)

Anonymous said...

Kurt Malone, Don King, James Earl Jones, LL Cool J, 50 Cent, and Rocky are registered republicans.

Federal Election Commission

Anonymous said...

An academic in France has been sacked by the Ministry of Defence after questioning the official version of events surrounding the 9/11 attacks. He now reportedly plans to sue the government.

Aymeric Chauprade lost his job allegedly over the introduction to his latest book about political crises around the world, and more specifically, that the 9/11 attacks in New York City and Washington D.C. More..were an orchestrated "American-Israeli conspiracy". The Defence Minister had strong objections to the material, so Aymeric had to go.

And the Art Bell democrats want to be more like Europe?

Mike

Anonymous said...

I hate the jews.

Patrick