Okay I'll cut O'Reilly a tiny bit of slack because I too have lost my temper on air. Although i would maintain it was because of belligerence not just well reasoned counter arguments.
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44 comments:
The Bush Administration's DOJ, not the Obama DOJ made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged vote intimidation at a polling center in Nov 2008.
Obama's DOJ sucessfuly obtained a default judgement against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party who was carrying a nightstick outside of the polling center in 2008. (No voter came forward to claimed they were intimidated from voting on account of the NBP's actions in 2008.)
The U.S. Comission on Civil Rights is currently investigating the DOJ's actions. According to the commission it seems the DOJ's has given a plausible argument for not pusuing additional charges.
Look, I don't like the actions of groups like the NBP (New Black Panther Party). They are a bunch of racist bastards that are no better than the Klan. But it seems like somebody is making "SHIT UP".
I just wish that Mike and Clayton FACTCHECK things before they put them on the air!. Don't use Fox News as a source for information.
You guys are smarter and better than that."Grow a set please".
John
"so you're okay with drunk driving" gimme a break o'reilly
He could be pissed about something that annoys me too:
I'm wondering why they have border patrols and illegal immigration laws but once they get in the country it's like it's just fine for them to be here unless they commit a serious crime. If a certain village had better resource management than a neighboring village and bunches of people from that neighboring village were coming in to the certain village, then I think it would be okay for the certain village to say hold up, there's too many people coming in, let's slow that roll and see if we can help get the other village straight.
♫You load sixteen tons, what do ya get
Another day older and deeper in debt
♫You open up the borders, what do ya get
A North American Union and deeper in debt
♫You make a One World Currency, what do ya get
World domination by a few operators, citizen inturnment camps, forced vaccinations, a microchip cattle tag in your arm, taxed merely for existing, stripped of your individual rights, limits on your rights to reproduce, plant life that can't reproduce, forced to abandon the notion that these systems are in place to serve the people, forced to think like "the majority" or be locked away for thought crimes, forced to act like "the majority" or have nothing, forced to watch as "the majority" oppresses themselves and everyone else and drives this planet and its inhabitants to the brink of extinction through ignorance and arrogance, owned by the company store, and so much more...
♫ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfp2O9ADwGk
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/09/new-black-panther-party-racist
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/13/congressman-shouted-claiming-know-new-black-panther-case
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_071310/content/01125110.guest.html
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?
Declaration of Bartle Bull
Don't be a new world hater! You are describing a 1984 scenerio, I suspect a brave new world approach, love to be a servant when you don't know you are one. Subtle.
John Fund writes for the WSJ online. He is also a Fox News contributor. Enough said!.
J.Christan Adams is a known Republican opperative and blogger.
Bartle Bull is a McCain supporter who dislike of Barack Obama is well known.
This incident happend in Phili in 2008. But it has been hyped up by talk radio and Fox News. Again the Bush Doj dropped the charges in this case. No one came forward to say they were intimidated by the NBP which is only made up of 3 to 5individuals.
Funny, a similar issue happend in 2006 in Arizona that involved a minuteman member carrying a firearm in and around a polling place. That case went through the same process and charges didn't meet the criteria judged by the Bush Doj for a case.
Again, I just plead that if you do a talk show get your facts straight. If you have a opinion?. Make sure its informed.
John
To your liking John. I said on air i havent a computer because of the storm to do any fact checking. That was said on air and MTJ and i were discussing it within that perameter i set in place during our convo. Yeh FACT check is what i do, but i also made it clear i havent done any of that. My cable is still out btw.
My discussion was more along the lines of what the BP said about killing crackers and their babies but it went another direction when MTJ brought the intimidation thing up and i also said i didnt look any of this up. Lets keep it real and not twist things please, you were listening....right??
Right now im using someone elses CPU and posting directly at you. If you listened to what was said you would have heard my disclaimer during the conversation. SELECTIVE HEARING ANYONE??
BIGDOG
Bigdog,
I wasn't even talking about you.I was talking to Mike and Clayton about not reporting the whole story on this issue. They made it out that this incident with the New Black Panther party happend and the Obama Doj did nothing about it.
These 3 guys that make up NBP are a bunch of idiots that shouldn't be responded to let alone taken real serious. (Just like most of conservative talk radio)
It's a big story on Fox and conservative talk radio because it's been "amped up" by people who have agenda's against this current administration.
John
www.newworldorderhater.info
Fox News isn't the only bias media source:
http://www.skewz.com/source/compare_sources
Skewz.com is about to die so here is a wayback version too:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080709003147/www.skewz.com/source/compare_sources
Malik Shabazz incriminates himself in black panther case
'Security' patrols stationed at polling places in Philly
Fox News Confronts Black Panther at Polls
excerpt from the last show
John,
If your statement is true then perhaps they didn't come forward because they were intimidated or the ones who did come forward were too "rightwing" to be believable in your mind. You are throwing around accusations so I would like to see some references to back up at least some of your statements please if you don't mind. Let's say I'm a hardcore "rightwinger" and I just don't believe your "leftwing propaganda". The deck is stacked against you here. If you could site a few sources to back up your claims then you might just school us all a little. When you find information online you can copy the information that is in the address bar of that page and paste that link somewhere in your post like this -
http://www.justice.gov/crt/voting/misc/philadelphia_bpp_comp.php
Waiting to see your side of things...
To the "don't be a NWO hater" person,
I wish I was talking about storybooks, but no.
http://vactruth.com/2010/01/31/forced-vaccinations-government-and-the-public-interest
http://www.campfema.com
http://www.educate-yourself.org/nwo
http://www.rfidnews.org/2010/05/26/rfid-implant-turns-scientist-into-a-walking-computer-virus
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/taxing_us_for_breathing.html
http://freeliberal.com/archives/001051.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism#.22Terminator.22_and_.22traitor.22
Why didn't Chris Adams go bonkers when Bush's Doj dropped the charges against The New Black Panther Party?. I would think Mr. Adams being a fair minded individual would be upset at the beginning on this issue.
Your point that people may have been scared to talk to law enforcement is possible. The NBP's
are made up of 3 to 5 people and they are treated as a bunch of idiots unless it's Fox News/conservative talk radio who has been trying to stoked fears of Obama's plot to get "WHITEY".
As far as my sourcing materials to you BD. I could do that but it depends on you accepting my sources as fact. (NPR,Huffington Post,Media Matters etc.) I can read it now."liberal sources" so it can't be true or its bias. (I have this feeling you wouldn't accept it.)
This is all about stoking people that don't like Obama and playing to thier racial fears. Its done by Fox and by talk radio.
John
I forgot to post this vid before:
King Samir Shabazz running his crazy racist mouth
Actually, John, I was the one asking for your sources, not BD. I'll make a greater effort to sign my posts, my bad. I didn't mean to be taken literally when I said "let's say I'm a hardcore righty etc", because I'm not like that. I am more than willing to review your sources, Fox News or NPR or whatever, and I will do my best to keep an open mind.
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39615.html
http://www.newblackpanther.com/newsite/102.html
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/08/new-black-panther-leader-sets-sights-on-glenn-beck-and-the-tea-party
It's crazy that the NBP and the KKK hate each other so much since they really do seem to have so much in common.
KKK White Supremacist Gets Punched In The Face
Little Girl Vs Neo Nazi
John. Where to start. These events happened...PERIOD!! They were not made up to stoke the fear fire amongst anyone. Showing them at face value and bringing it to our attention is what they are doing in talk radio. However i do see your point as to it can become all about fear mongering but it hasnt IMHO. However you seemingly would like it so. If you think im afraid because some idiot says they are going to kill cracker babies...ie (my grandchildren) well you are wrong...but i will protect my family when needed, its that simple. This isnt a reaction out of fear (fear equals preemptive measure) its a reaction to preserve my family if and when needed. Acting in preservation of ones family is based on a given right and killing anyones babies because of race isnt preservation, it is the NBP that are afraid and are the ones becoming the oppresser. The very thing they hate.
John i also read leftist sites and many other sources. So it isnt like i would just throw your sourcing aside and dismiss it as leftist. Your assumption isnt based on reality just to make it clear.
The one thing i can confidently say; it is you that has issues with rightwing sites and i have seen you over and over dismiss prudent info because they are FOX news or some other source you dont like and such. Im would love to see your sources backing up your accusations as well.
BD
Thanks for the excerpt King Bru...
John, REALLY? 12:40 in to the excerpt shows I'm not jumping on the Hate Obama train with the 'right wingnuts.'
All I'm saying is that Obama could've gotten rid of this but he didn't and now it's festering.
And Clayton didn't say a word on the subject because he hadn't heard of it before that night. try to tighten your scope up just a little bit.
I'm Michael T and I approve this message.
PS if you're who I think you are, say hi to your brother hope he's doing well. I didn't know about Barbara until I saw your post. apparently there was an Email that went out but I didn't get it. I agree the station should have done some sort of tribute.
Mike,
I never said you were on the Obama hating bandwagon. All I said is for you guys to give the whole story on the "amped up Fox news driven story" on the voting intimidation case in Philadelphia in 2008.
I have read some of my post on this issue and I may have given the impression that it didn't happend. It did and I'm sorry for any confusion.
Sorry but I don't recognize Fox News as a news source. They have a history of making things up and dealing in tabloid journalism. Yes, we have bias in the media. I admit that but what should be the measure if a story is accurate. We have no investigated journalism that is going on because of lack of money to fund it. Blog's like this are the source's of news and so is talk radio and lets just say that neither are real accurate in my opinion.
John
Yes it's me and I will tell my brother you said Hi.
mediamatters.org/research/20100705005? (Fox News refuses to report on Bush era Doj's decison that undermines Gop's activist claims)
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread593410/pg.1 (Black Panther voter intimidation: minuteman case even worse)
Gee I like to know if all you good fair-minded americans just as outraged about this violation of someone civil rights on this case that involved the Bush Doj??.
Can someone ask Chris Adams why he didn't go to the CC commission and report on this violation in 2006?.
Yea Rightwinger's, Conservatives, lets see you guys be consistent on this now!!.
John
If anyone take my using the word rightwinger as being bad well get over it!.
John,
Personally, I'm not really outraged about either case since it's not a common occurence and it was just a few nuts and things didn't get violent.
You had some typos in your links, here are the corrections:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread593410/pg1 (Black Panther Voter Intimidation: Minutemen Case Even Worse?)
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007050005 (Fox News refuses to report on Bush-era DOJ decision that undermines GOP activist's claims)
If you click this link it will show you how to copy and paste the link instead of typing it out:
http://www.webmasternow.com/copyandpaste.html
Another link I found:
http://mediamatters.org/print/blog/201007010023 (Christian Adams' case continues to implode: Bush-era DOJ declined to charge Minutemen for voter intimidation)
Peace
I am more outraged about the patriot act than a handful of attention seekers.
me2
Michael T, YW and congratulations on being #1. 25 million listeners strong!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/157859/where-in-the-world-is-osama-bin-laden
One key piece of evidence shows the OB-DOJ was pursuing this case well into 2009. John I'm sorry but....*clears throat*
John first said:
"The Bush Administration's DOJ, not the Obama DOJ made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged vote intimidation at a polling center in Nov 2008."
This is a false statement. Obamas DOJ still pursued information on this matter and i have evidence. You will see it later.
"Why didn't Chris Adams go bonkers when Bush's Doj dropped the charges against The New Black Panther Party?."
They weren't dropped by the Bushies. They pursued it in the OB-DOJ in 2009 till when...now?...2010?
I trusted you John his assertion is true and yours are made up. Obamas DOJ dropped this case. This event happened and they have witnesses filing affidavits. Regardless the bushies or the obamaniese, these folks decided not to pursue the issue doesn't mean it didn't happen and it is very clear to me the OB-DOJ dropeed these charges.
Obamas DOJ did take Bartle Bull affidavit in 2009 so they were still working on this case and just recently dropped it. Maybe that is why Adams came unhinged. They took a respectable mans testimony and dismissed the case?
So the event happened in 2008 and which has nothing to do with what took place in 2006 and Bushies DOJ of 06...stop with the obfuscation. Obamas DOJ took Bulls affidavit in 2009 and now we find out the case has been dropped??
Why?? lack of witnesses?? Why are you not trying to destroy Bulls credibility like you are Adams. I have a lot more respect for Bulls track record than Adams but Adams inst lying about this John.
"bartle bull pdf" in Google for his affidavit.
BD
http://www.kansascity.com/2008/10/25/858653/the-secret-files-a-look-at-complaints.html
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/super-high-me
B,
Thanks for the corrections on the links I made. I'm horrible with all the linking up on article's on the net.
There is a website called "Progressive Eruptions" that had a posting on this case and background info that supports
my point. Here is the link on this so I hope this takes?.
Progressiveeruppts.blogspot.com/blackpanther-case-dropped-by-bush.html
I call into question someone like Chris Adams who wasn't outraged when the last administration dropped a case of voter intimidation in 2006.
I find it funny that no one in the philly case was intimidated by two assholes in a predominate black neighborhood that was voting real heavy for Barack Obama. Did they call media outlets and bloggers about the action they took so they could get attention?.
John
P.S.
I find it funny that BD decided to blow over the 2006 voter intimidation example I gave and what the Bush Doj did?.
John first said:
"The Bush Administration's DOJ, not the Obama DOJ made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged vote intimidation at a polling center in Nov 2008."
That website "Progressive Eruptions" supports your first point??
Im still looking into the 2006 case and it has no bearing on this case. You lied about the bushies and the NBP case (first point), so i can only assume your facts are not correct on the 2006 case. You are not addressing your mistake and lack of research on the OB-DOJ dropped case. With your silence on the matter i consider that an apparent sign you were lying or misinformed. I am looking into the 2006 case just havent finished with my endeavor. Unlike you sir i am being fair and thorough.
BIGDOG
http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com
Let us hope that partisan politics does not delay this legislation
After reviewing the 2006 and prudent information the reasoning behind not pursuing criminal charges nor civil charges is because the FBI determined they were outside the 75 foot perimeter allowable for protesters and such. Apparently one man was armed outside the limits. BTW....Carrying a weapon is a constitutionally protected RIGHT in Arizona. Carrying a sidearm is legal in Arizona. The gun never left its holster.
The NBP case the men were standing at the door and is on file and on video as being within 8-15 feet of the doorway in uniform and armed with a baton; brandishing it in a manor that could be intimidating.
The word is no one showed up in court to defend themselves. Shabazz has an injunction levied against him which prohibits him from brandishing a weapon outside a polling place until 2012. No voters came forward in either case,the plaintiffs were the USA on behalf of the districts in question for both criminal and civil cases.
Duly noted for the topic is this. The OB-DOJ dropped the civil charges filed. Filed by the Bushies on Jan 7 2009. The civil charges against the NBP were filed after criminal charges were dropped by Bushies-DOJ.
Johns post was a half truth at best and i may have jumped the gun calling him a liar, i apologize. There is a difference between civil and criminal. Either way Shabazz has an injunction against him based on the civil case.
BIGDOG being fair and thorough.
OK i am done with this...BOYEEEE!!!
Is the nbp a national organization or just a bunch of knuckleheads trying to gain attention? With the obama jd dropping the charges are critics implying he's a white hater and he's protecting the nbp?
YES to all the questions on the above post.
I don't deal in half truths or any manipulation of facts. That's to people that believe that Fox News,Conservative talk radio are legit news sources that should be taken as FACT.
John
I hate beating a dead horse but..
Where was the voter intimidation
in Philly then?. Who was intimidated?. If you go into a both to cast a secret ballot then how would a bunch of racist idiots
(minuteman/nbp)know who you are voting for??.
Now I'm done.Lets move on to the next phony outrage that the rightwing will stir up.
John
I'd like to change the subject and stick to the post: many say that illegal immigration is the result of globalism and exploitation of human beings, maybe but not all the way. Jobs exported to countries to maximize the bottom dollar and the jobs that stayed imported working conditions that are a staple in third world countries filled in by people hungry for work, e.g. jobs americans will not work for low wages. There is gross abuse of human rights. For example the meat packing factories in many states and the orange picking in florida and georgia, people are literally treated like slaves. I will not say Mexico is a third world country, is far from it. People receive free health care not the best care but is something for the poor. If you have a job and health insurance the care is different. Social conditions have improved, if you are a senior citizen you can get a monthly check and groceries from the government, families can get aid if they qualify, schools have breakfast and lunches, computers and overall better facilities. Rural and smaller communities have clinics for the poor and roads are paved. But why do they come when they can stay and live better there than they did twenty years ago, I know of engineers and teachers who struggle in cities because there isn't enough demand but they are not crossing the border.
I'd like to change the subject and stick to the post: many say that illegal immigration is the result of globalism and exploitation of human beings, maybe but not all the way. Jobs exported to countries to maximize the bottom dollar and the jobs that stayed imported working conditions that are a staple in third world countries filled in by people hungry for work, e.g. jobs americans will not work for low wages. There is gross abuse of human rights. For example the meat packing factories in many states and the orange picking in florida and georgia, people are literally treated like slaves. I will not say Mexico is a third world country, is far from it. People receive free health care not the best care but is something for the poor. If you have a job and health insurance the care is different. Social conditions have improved, if you are a senior citizen you can get a monthly check and groceries from the government, families can get aid if they qualify, schools have breakfast and lunches, computers and overall better facilities. Rural and smaller communities have clinics for the poor and roads are paved. But why do they come when they can stay and live better there than they did twenty years ago, I know of engineers and teachers who struggle in cities because there isn't enough demand but they are not crossing the border.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html
Bartle Bull made it clear what he saw, did you read his affidavit? BTW i dont have a problem with both DOJ's decisions just odd that Shabbaz cant carry a baton until the next presidential election year...isn that strange john??
You, John, seemingly dismiss prudent info and you did not deliver it here thats for sure. Next time, stop with your half truths and deal in a full scope of reality.
The only difference, so i appologized for calling you a liar, is one case was a (Bushies)criminal case and the other was a (OB)civil case, all dropped by each admins DOJ. Now you either ommitted this on purpose or you were ill-informed; relying on your news source as 100 percent fact....well it wasnt as i clearly demonstrated. The intimidation factor has one caviot to it. The cops were called and the NPB were asked to leave and they did.
Riddle me this.
Why were the cops called since there was no intimidation or fear of civil unrest? The video is more than sufficient to sway my oppinion as being borderline intimidation, not enough to prosecute, but damn close??
and
What would happen if you or i didnt show up for our court date??
BIGDOG
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_happens_if_you_don't_show_up_on_a_hearing_for_a_civil_case_at_court
"Gee I wonder is there anything left of that dead horse we keep beating?."
I read my previous post on this case because I try to deal with facts.If I'm wrong then I'm big enough to admit it even to people I disagree with.
It seems in the arizona voter intimidation case that someone did complain to the FBI. Diego Bernal a staff attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defnse And Education Fund made a complaint according to the Tuscon Citizen 11/8/2006 article.
This is supported by going to Media Matters.org and pulling up the posting they have on voter intimidation case in Philly. (Now you have to stroll down a little bit but its there.)
Yes, it's not illegal to have a firearm 75 feet from a polling place in Arizona but it seems like our buddies in the minuteman were
checking the Id's of mexican looking folks and doing other things that might be considered harrassment to people of a certain ethnic group.
Now,BD asked why was the cops called in the NBP case? Well maybe they were making a lot of noise and bothering people at the polling place. And if you or I missed a court date then I'm sure a warrant will be called on you and me.
But lets be clear on where our outrage should be directed. I'm sure for you somone who maybe watch Fox News and listening to conservative talk radio blasting BS at the first black president of the U.S. and buying into the talking points about race that goes back to Richard Nixon (Silent-Majority dribble) you look at a couple of strange crazy so called black radicals as the norm for the fact that we all are just that angry and will gut all of white america if we get the chance.
The diffrence is that I seen the minuteman tactics done before in a historical context against with blacks in the south after the civil war/reconstructions years/jim-crow laws. It's all legal
cause it's in the state laws.
BUT IT'S ALL LEGAL!!.
I think AG Holder should have released a statement explaining his actions when this was amped up by the "Conservative-spin blog machine". Let's move on?!.
John
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I think if Mexico grew lots of plants and used them for foods, clothing, shelters, hemp, bio-diesel fuels, natural plastics, and sea vegetation, then they could recover pretty quick. win-win
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Hey John, I just finished this movie and it pretty much explains all the questions you had about militias and constitution stuff.
Don't Tread On Me: Rise of the Republic - FULL MOVIE
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