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America IS capable of anything. However, can we shake ourselves of the fleas called socialists?
Of course, one should not end their sentences in prepositions, MTJ.
Mike in 3rd grade grammar class
America has been going downhill since the 60's. I will post several articles to back up my point.
Russ
I saw that rabbit on the Drudge Report, Judas. As we all should always be about everything, I am quite skeptical...and how are the jews involved.
Miguel at an illegal protest waiting for INS/ICE (har har)
So, when the libs win back the house and senate in 2006, will they think it is because Americans agree with them or will they look at the fact that only 3 republicans came out to vote?
Miguel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm
This guy kinda looks like Lefty.
Russ
http://www.geocities.com/newageinternational/Depopulation1.html
I really need to finish my website and make some cash.
Russ
SENATOR JESSE HELMS
On December 15, 1987, Senator Helms delivered a speech before Congress that contained, in part, the following comments. [Quoting:]
This campaign against the American people - against traditional American culture and values - is systematic psychological warfare. It is orchestrated by a vast array of interests comprising not only the Eastern establishment but also the radical left. Among this group we find the Department of State, the Department of Commerce, the money center banks and multinational corporations, the media, the educational establishment, the entertainment industry, and the large tax-exempt foundations.
Mr. President, a careful examination of what is happening behind the scenes reveals that all of these interests are working in concert with the masters of the Kremlin in order to create what some refer to as a New World Order. Private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference, the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute [or Council"?], and the Bilderberger Group serve to disseminate and to coordinate the plans for this so-called New World Order in powerful business, financial, academic, and official circles...
The psychological campaign that I am describing, as I have said, is the work of groups within the Eastern establishment, that amorphous amalgam of wealth and social connections whose power resides in its control over our financial system and over a large portion of our industrial sector. The principal instrument of this control over the American economy and money is the Federal Reserve System. The policies and the industrial sectors, primarily the multinational corporations, are influenced by the money center banks through debt financing and through the large blocks of stock controlled by the trust departments of the money center banks.
Anyone familiar with American history, and particularly American economic history, cannot fail to notice the control over the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency which Wall Street seems to exercise...
The influence of establishment insiders over our foreign policy has become a fact of life in our time. This pervasive influence runs contrary to the real long-term national security of our Nation. It is an influence which, if unchecked, could ultimately subvert our constitutional order.
The viewpoint of the establishment today is called globalism. Not so long ago, this viewpoint was called the "One-World" view by its critics. The phrase is no longer fashionable among sophisticates; yet, the phrase "One World" is still apt because nothing has changed in the minds and actions of those promoting policies consistent with its fundamental tenets.
Mr. President, in the globalist point of view, nation-states and national boundaries do not count for anything. Political philosophies and political principles seem to become simply relative. Indeed, even constitutions are irrelevant to the exercise of power. Liberty and tyranny are viewed as neither necessarily good nor evil, and certainly not a component of policy.
In this point of view, the activities of international financial and industrial forces should be oriented to bringing this one-world design - with a convergence of the Soviet and American systems as its centerpiece - into being... All that matters to this club is the maximization of profits resulting from the practice of what can be described as finance capitalism, a system which rests upon the twin pillars of debt and monopoly. This isn't real capitalism. It is the road to economic concentration and to political slavery. [End quoting.]
THE WORLD ORDER
Russ
As far as the New World Order, Plato taught us that "the price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Frankly, I also call for the death of a nation that allows legal abortion.
Mike at Planned Premeditated Murderhood
RUSS:
Open Microsoft Word or Word Pad and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first
plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to the
WINGDINGS
Man arrested after mexican flag burning.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/124317.php
That was interesting seeing what I got from doing the Word excercise; Like there was any doubt
Russ
Burn an American flag and the Left will come to your aid; burn an Mexican flag and you get burned.
Before this country implodes we will have draconian hate crime laws and what has been posted on this blog will be considered illegal.
Such laws are required to make so called Modern Democracies function.
Don’t be surprised to see some kind of fake attack by Iran against US forces or against Israel that will be used for a justification for striking Iran. Never forget that in the eyes of the rulers we are nothing more than dumb slaves.
Russ
From the Boston Tea Party to the Boston white libs.
Ok, I'll tax that crap out of you. Oh, well, I'll tax a little less of the crap out of you...and spend like Howard Dean on cocaine.
Miguel
Where the fuck is Big Dog, anyway?
Big Dog, you can't reason with a socialist. Come on.
Miguel
Big Dog, we definately need more of your input on this blog here.
Mike
Now for something entirely different.
http://www.redlightcenter.com/
The future of porn.
Ha ha.
Russ
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?060417crbo_books
Very interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbelo
Russ
This really pisses me off...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/
Embassy Baghdad” will dwarf new U.S. embassies elsewhere, projects that typically cover 10 acres. The embassy’s 104 acres is six times larger than the United Nations compound in New York, and two-thirds the acreage of Washington’s National Mall.
Estimated cost of over $1 billion
Original cost estimates ranged over $1 billion, but Congress appropriated only $592 million in the emergency Iraq budget adopted last year. Most has gone to a Kuwait builder, First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting, with the rest awarded to six contractors working on the project’s “classified” portion — the actual embassy offices.
I am trying to buy a house and so far I can afford a shoebox. I really dislike the Neocons and their friends.
Russ
Hey, JJ. Here is the link to the new embassy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/
Russ
This is getting monotonous;
'white people' have done it again.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/
Russ
This one goes out to Lefty, el baboso. There is only one good kind of communist and we all know what that is. Apparently, Lefty, the genius (just ask him), missed the 20th century. Oh, well, what more can one expect from a mere lib.
Mike in the formerly great and formerly capitalist United States of America
Lefty is what I used to call a useful idiot. It was a label for Westerns who endorsed the commie bastard policies of my day being used in that evil FREE nation, the USA. Lefty, I am very proud of you. Thank you for carrying onward, you useful idiot.
Vladimir Lenin
Yes, Vlad, I'll agree with you on your point about Lefty. That idiot supported me after I had murdered 25,000,000 of my own people. Lefty, I love you, man. Keep up the good work. Workers Unite!
Joseph Stalin
Vlad, Joe, I must admit. You both sure did take my ideas and run with them. Despite the 100,000,000 eggs you had to break to implement my ideas, we'll just call it aggressive population control. We all know the idiot American libs will support that. Look at them for State's sake. There they sit in the shining city on a hill while our people live in terror and the idiots still support us.
Long live Lefty. He is truly a boy for the Party. We can always count on the art-school drop out types to support the cause and the Party. Lefty would have been a great Bolshevik.
Karl Marx
We silently support you Joe, Vlad, Karl, and Lefty.
NPR, KPR, KKFI, Almost All American Print Media, Almost All Mainstream Media, and MTJ
Lefty, if I didn't hate men with all my heart, I would allow you to worship me at the coven meetings.
Amy Goodman
So, Lefty, when will you join us on the jew-hating bandwagon?
Russ, George, Adolf, and Louis Farakhan
Lefty, right on, man. Keep up the good work. We love government control. After all, we are in on the action. Thanks, babe. Love ya!
The Gay Fascists
Lefty, thank you for not looking at the 60,000,000 of my own people I had to kill to implement our version of LBJ's Great Soceity. What is 60,000,000 deaths amongst Party members, anyway?
Chairman Mao
Lefty, we support your thoughts but can we still sing gospel on Sunday morings?
The Black Socialist
We agree as well, Lefty. But, you are still a white son of a bitch. We demand to be first in line when you turn health care into the DMV.
The Spike Lee Democrats
Let's say we force your ideas on the people Lefty. We are pinko commie bastards as well but what if aliens take over our government? Hey, did do you see those funny lights up there?
The Art Bell Democrats
Apr. 13--James Mundy's campaign to create a black-owned, Internet-only bank brought him to Pittsburgh several times last December, his visits culminating in a series of breakfasts, lunches and dinners at The Rivers Club with the Rev. William Curtis of the Mount Ararat Baptist Church.
The trips from Boston paid off for Mr. Mundy.
In January, the East Liberty church became the first African-American church in the country to invest money in Mr. Mundy's new national banking venture, called BankBlackwell. While its investment was relatively small -- $50,000 -- the participation of Pittsburgh's largest black church (7,500 members) knocked loose similar-size investments from the Macedonia Baptist Church in the Hill District and several churches in other states, including South Carolina, Georgia, California, Michigan, Texas, Massachusetts and Washington, D.C.
Why invest the church's money?
While the Rev. Curtis, 39, believes most banks in Pittsburgh are "pretty responsive" to the black community, the thought of creating a national black-owned bank was too exciting to resist. "I want to see [BankBlackwell] succeed," he said.
BankBlackwell is targeting black churches nationwide in its effort to raise $16.5 million in capital by June 23 -- a deadline set by regulators. Mr. Mundy says he has $5 million to 6 million in hand now. The goal is to open the first black-owned bank with a national footprint -- albeit without physical branches -- and recycle the growing wealth of African Americans back into city neighborhoods via mortgages, development assistance and financing for traditional pillars of the African-American community, such as churches.
Banks -- the center of wealth in any community -- still are largely out of the hands of African Americans. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation lists only 45 black-owned institutions in the United States -- and none has more than $1 billion in assets. The largest is New York's Carver Federal Savings Bank, with $648 million in assets. Most black-owned banks are regional in scope, focusing almost exclusively on their cities of origin, and many find it difficult to compete with the larger, better-financed banks in their communities.
Pittsburgh's only contribution to the national list is The Dwelling House Savings & Loan Association, based in the Hill District. The Dwelling House, which Robert Lavelle took over in 1957, was the first lender to target the low-income Hill neighborhood, and it still provides credit to people who otherwise would be turned down. Its asset base of $19.9 million ranks 40th nationally, out of 45 black-owned institutions.
Mr. Mundy, the founder of BankBlackwell, is a former executive with Boston-based OneUnited Bank, the second-largest African-American-owned bank in the country with $540 million in assets. He left OneUnited in 2003 to create a bank without any branches, operating entirely on the Internet. Other such cyber banks already exist, but none is owned by an African American, according to Mr. Mundy.
OneUnited, Mr. Mundy's old employer, began offering online banking earlier this year, saying it will open accounts for customers anywhere in the country.
Executives with OneUnited have argued that Mr. Mundy's idea will appeal only to the affluent and that most customers still feel more comfortable placing their money at physical banks -- rather than those that exist entirely in cyberspace.
Mr. Mundy admits that his target is middle- and upper-income black Americans, citing the growth in black wealth across the United States. The number of black households with more than $50,000 in income is up from 2 million in the early 1990s to almost 4 million a decade later, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. And wealthy blacks are "more inclined than their white counterparts to make purchasing decisions based on community or race," writes Mr. Mundy in a pitch to potential investors.
It makes sense for Mr. Mundy to target black churches as part of his fund-raising effort -- there are 70,000 in the United States with 21 million members who tend to be wealthier and better educated than non-church goers, he said. The woman who made many of the first introductions for Mr. Mundy in Pittsburgh was 46-year-old Madelyn Toliver, a Mount Ararat church member and independent human resources consultant.
And Mr. Mundy is not the only one to use black churches as a conduit for new business. Chuck Sanders, for example, sponsors gospel concerts and hands out leaflets after Sunday services as a way of promoting Urban Settlement Services, a business that helps with real estate closings, and Urbanmortgage.com, a company that provides home ownership loans. Retired Pittsburgh Steelers running back Jerome Bettis is a partner in Urbanmortgage.com.
Relying on churches for investment capital is "something old that has become new again," said Mr. Sanders, 41, who works from the Hill. "It's nothing that African Americans didn't do 50 to 100 years ago."
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Copyright (c) 2006, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News.
potential investors.
For the moron on here that signed a post using my name I wish you would grow up if that is possible.
I don't hate anyone. If you can't refute what I have said on here then go back to your hole.
Russ
Russ, leave the negro alone.
Negro
Right on, Russ. White Power!
David Duke
Hundreds of thousands
In all, the tests of more than 24,000 mostly minority children in Missouri aren’t being counted as groups, AP’s review found. Other states have much higher numbers. California, for instance, isn’t counting the scores of more than 400,000 children. In Texas, the total is about 257,000.
2 million scores ignored in ‘No Child’ loophole
AP: With help of states, U.S. government, schools duck potential penalties
Political Correctness run amuck
Russ
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12357165/
They question is: how will blacks blame white conservatives and republicans for their lack of education when libs run the entire area? Maybe, in a generation or two, the blacks will begin to realize that the damage done to them by liberalism is far worse than all klan members combined could even imagine.
Mike, secret head of Kadima
Bigdog. Woof. Woof.
In the larger scheme of things Joes Wilson is small potatoes. I think you have knocked MT out on this matter. I think you need to ask: Has Bush and his friends been good for the average folk in this country? I think you would have to agree that the answer to my question is no. And now we are getting ready to hit Iran. Get ready for 5.00 per gallon gas. Long live the state of Israel. Viva la Israel. I will never fully understand why so many Christians support Jews: killers of Christ.
Russ
Judas = dumb.
Russ = 1608 Baltimore
Big Dog = actually read the 9/11 commission report...voluntarily. I was fully willing to consider forced institutionalization for BD because he did that.
White Power!
Black Power!
Illegal Alien Power!
Mike
So, we should just make our southern border a shooting range with moving targets for hunters and paintballers alike. That'd help...couple with $50,000 per illegal...enforced randomly like drug tests in Congress should be.
Vanilla Ice
http://www.stansberryonline.com/OIL/20060405-OIL-COL.asp?pcode=EOILG425&alias=200604OIL&o=354693&u=5341711&l=786897
Maybe Bigdog was right and this whole deal was a way to boost oil prices to force other methods to become cheap to get us off oil from the Middle East.
Here are the official estimates:
8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
18-times as much oil as Iraq
21-times as much oil as Kuwait
22-times as much oil as Iran
500-times as much oil as Yemen
…And it’s all right here in the Western United States.
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says, “We’ve got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East.”
More than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped.
What I can say is that I doubt that the people running the show have my best interest at heart. Real income increases for average wage earners has not gone up much during the last five years.
Russ
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498871794&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Senator Joe Lieberman: If he had become president we would have had zero credibility in the Middle East.
Russ
Russ,
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/walterwilliams/2005/11/09/174865.html
I'd even take up Hugo on his offering of $50/barrel. We need to ignore the psycho libs and drill, baby, drill. And, of course, let's not forget the $.60/gallon in taxes we pay. But hey, the government needs its share...especially before the government's slaves get theirs. Thanks, libs. Burn!
Mike learning Lacrosse
Oh, yeah. Avoid all schools today!
Such costs were always there, Gertler said, but Bush administration officials and members of Congress put off maintenance and procurement expenditures to keep down the war's price tag.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12394937/
Just another reason Bush and his ilk should be impeached.
Russ
Wenyi Wang was her name. You can hear the anguish of years of communist/lib oppression in her soul.
Execute all libs including that dirty rate, George W. Bush!
Not Mike
Allow me to rephrase that. Death to all libs including that dirty boob, George W. Bush!
Not Mike
George W. Bush, like his fellow lib trash, is a communist sympathizer.
There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of the voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.
Thanks to loose credit, consumer debt has soared. It was roughly $10 trillion when Greenspan took over the Fed in 1987. Now it's $37.3 trillion - or nearly 350% of GDP.
Meanwhile, the government spends money on credit even faster. This administration has already borrowed more money since 2000 than every White House since the time of Washington. And by 2017 - says the Heritage Foundation - our federal deficits should be soaring by at least $1 trillion per year. After that, it will jump to $2 trillion.
http://www.isecureonline.com/Reports/OST/WOSTG412/?o=354723&u=7114965&l=786958
Russ
http://www.isecureonline.com/Reports/OST/WOSTG412/?o=354723&u=7114965&l=786958
“Our children are failing, the schools are failing,” Chamber says. “The gap between the achievement of white children and black children in their respective schools is not narrowing.”
Hey MikeT: Here is a story for your show.
Russ
Koza made a drawing of his new circuit and showed it to a colleague, who told him that it was a low-pass filter—a circuit used for cleaning up the signal passing through an amplifier. He also learned that someone had taken out a patent on it, which made him wonder whether genetic programming could evolve other patented circuits from scratch. He programmed the machine to design circuits with the attributes of other patented devices and started churning out infringements by the dozen. “That’s when we began to see that genetic programming could be human-competitive,” he says. “If you remake a patented circuit, you’re doing something that people consider inventive.”
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/0e13af26862ba010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
What would the world look like without white guys in it?
Russ
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/
science/
0e13af26862ba010
vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
This is the last link you have to put the pieces together.
Russ
That is cool, Russ. Do you consider "popular science" a reputable source?
It sounds like a Marxist's dream. We will kill the last capitalist with the last robot they have another robot manufacture! It sounds like Lefty may finally have a place on this earth.
Singularity also refers to the ultimate beginning of the ever expanding universe. Sounds like one of those alpha and omega type things.
Russ, as reasonable as you are, how have you not come to the conclusion that there is a God? Since the probability of life by chance is so comically low, there is only one answer. Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies. The chance of that happening is 1 in 2^300. That is sufficient proof that there is a God and that Jesus is "the way, the truth, etc."
What would the world look like without white people? Darker.
Mike
How do libs explain away the poison of liberalism when the illigitimacy rate amongst the negro went from 25% in 1965 to 80% in 2005? I guess we'll just have to yell that republicans are racist even louder now. Ah, yes. Those racist republicans when every other ethic group has equally distributed itself throughout the population, including the white undesireables such as jews and irish catholics. Never evaluate the problem. Blame the honkie man, like Spike Lee. Don't worry, babe, we'll still be here.
Honkie
Black unemployment surely isn't because of the cancerous black culture, is it? Let's turn on 103.3FM or BET and see what's going on. Hmmm, Bush knocked down the towers. Little Kim, not Condi, is good. Gangsta' is good; knowledge is white; white is bad. Rap is art, you bitches, hoes, sluts, and tricks. Bling, bling, and I deserve that job, just ask the white libs and Al/Jesse/NAACP. Black power is not racist; white power is racist. Black stripper...white ivy league...guilty, of course. Whites won't hire us...20,000,000 working illegals.
Obvious
Black power!
Spike
Mike: Popular Science has been around a long time at least since the 30’s, I have no reason to doubt their professional honesty. It would seem from the article that everything could be redesigned for optimum efficiency.
I don’t have a fear of dying per say but I would like the chance not to grow old which is what the Singularity promises to do for people in the future, if Man doesn’t destroy himself first. Of course many counties in the world are falling apart and the West is and will continue to be forced to take in many millions of refugees.
As far as your question about God and Jesus, I will say that I am a writer and I have written many rough drafts then went back over the material cleaning up problems but since I now know the end I could always make all the logical inconsistencies consistent. Your statement about Jesus really doesn’t mean a whole lot. If you read the Old Testament you would have to come to the conclusion that God is one evil bastard. I won’t even get into the idea that a perfect God would knowingly create imperfect beings. What would be the point of creating people when you know everything that person is going to do. It makes no sense. Reading Revelations makes no sense either. Look at what happened to Judas. Christ said believe in me and you will have everlasting life but when he told Judas that he would betray him that Judas would basically get special torment treatment from God. The disciples thought that the Kingdom of Heaven was coming to a town near them and yet it has been over two thousand years and no Kingdom.
You are leaving out the idea that time is a manmade concept and that if the universe has been created and destroyed time and time again then it would be quite possible for random chance to have created us; in fact we may have been created an infinite number of times.
Pascal’s Wager is where I fall on this debate.
Russ
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/#4
Pascal.
Russ
I have seen the errors of my ways.
DIVERSITY IS GREAT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12428975/
Russ
http://www.forward.com/articles/7589
More proof of Jewish influence in this country.
The Progressive Jewish Alliance, a Los Angeles-based group that has been in the forefront of efforts to secure rights for immigrant workers, sent a representative as part of a clergy-based group that participated in the Washington rally.
Frist's approach was blasted by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the organization that tends to set policy for the Jewish community. HIAS is part of faith-based coalitions supporting the more liberal approaches to immigration reform proposed by Senator Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, and Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican.
I think I am going to move on to other issues. The evidence as to who controls this country is overwhelming. 'They' are well on their way to destroying the West.
Russ
Russ, I reread that popular science article and it is a healthful mix of awe and fright.
As far as God being evil, you are superimposing the rules for humans being good and evil on the Creator of all things. The Father may do whatever He wishes including judge and execute.
If God is perfect as He claims and we know that perfection is exclusive by nature, then not God is imperfection. How would it suprise anyone that humans are imperfect?
As far as God's motives for creating humans, by definition, no natural being can understand the supernatural. It reminds me of love and women. It is beautiful when a woman, of her own volition, loves a man. How much more beautiful would it be for man, of his own free will, to love the Father? The fact that it makes no sense to us reveals the supernatural implication.
Was Jesus wrong about Judas? No. Were the disciples wrong? Yes and no. The kingdom of heaven is a constant but does not exist in the material world.
Time is and is not manmade. We use manmade time to measure actual time. Being 1:00PM is manmade but is not now after earlier?
Does not the watch imply the watchmaker? What is the probability of a watch with the timex label and the made in china sign on the back occurring by chance? Surely, if you found such a watch, you would not assume chance. How much more complicated is the human body, let alone the design of the universe?
Russ, you are trying too hard to not accept the obvious. Why is that? Rich Brilliant had the same problem. It is an active attempt to avoid the truth. In fact, you know the bible well enough that you reveal your belief. We all know what the lion's den reveals.
Mike procrastinating from studying for his exam
Russ, $7000 for adoption is on the cheap. I hope that anyone who wishes to put their baby up for adoption is allowed to do so without criminal charges. With four adopted siblings, I may be biased, though. Adoption from agencies is three times what Vu offered. That is like Hugo Chavez offering oil at $50/barrel.
Mike finally going to study now
One more thing, Russ. I can only imagine why you blamed the jews for the death of Jesus. Hate, like love, is blinding at times.
The last movie I saw was "the passion" by mel. I hope that you see this movie. It is far different when you view this movie or think of the last days of Christ as a christian then as an apathetic. As big dog said, all of us, individually, caused the terrible end of Jesus through our sin.
Russ, I ask you to reconsider for "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" or the lake of fire awaits you.
Let me be clear. I am a sinner. I do not deserve the kingdom of heaven. I crucified the Son of God as did you. I am broken before Him.
Mike really really needing to study
Being like Judas is your alternative, Russ. A snide remark and then back to masterbating to gay porn. Is that what you really want to be? A man of no character with a black heart. Judas probably watches Nancy Grace between gay porn flicks. In the lake of fire, Amy Goodman is on the radio. Beat that, Pascal!
Mike again
Judas won't even identify itself. Only a white lib is that gutless.
Mike CLEARLY
More nonsense from Ms. Nonthought. Young lady, do you fear your identity being known?
Mike, master of Judas
Mike talking: One more thing, Russ. I can only imagine why you blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. Hate, like love, is blinding at times.
Russ talking: Mike while it is true that the Romans actually strung Christ up it is also fair to say that without Jewish pressure the Romans would have left Christ alone. He was not calling for the overthrow of Rome. You remember the Rodney King episode. Billions of dollars of property damage and the deaths of at least fifty people mainly white, caused by the release of a clip taken by one guy. If this guy hadn’t released the clip all those people wouldn’t have died. I am not trying to make the two issues equal because the Jewish leadership at that time wanted Christ dead and they got the Romans to do the deed for them. How many Jews stood up and said no?
Mike talking: Russ, I reread that popular science article and it is a healthful mix of awe and fright.
Russ talking: Mike: In the article it simply illustrated an evolutionary process.
Mike talking: As far as God being evil, you are superimposing the rules for humans being good and evil on the Creator of all things. The Father may do whatever He wishes including judge and execute.
Russ talking: What I am saying is that the game has been fixed. And ‘we’ are the losers. If you take examples from the Old Testament and the New Testament replacing the word God with Mike; what else would you call what Mike has done to people but evil.
Mike talking: If God is perfect as He claims and we know that perfection is exclusive by nature, then not God is imperfection. How would it surprise anyone that humans are imperfect?
Russ talking: He either is perfect or he is not. Michelangelo was not a perfect artist though I am not sure what a perfect artist is but nonetheless he would never have created a piece of crap. You say that perfection is exclusive by nature but aren’t you just putting your human sense of order onto a chaotic nature?
Mike talking: As far as God's motives for creating humans, by definition, no natural being can understand the supernatural. It reminds me of love and women. It is beautiful when a woman, of her own volition, loves a man. How much more beautiful would it be for man, of his own free will, to love the Father? The fact that it makes no sense to us reveals the supernatural implication.
Russ talking: Man doesn’t have a free will under your paradigm. Here is your choice: love me or burn in hell: some choice. If I am made from God or in his image then I can understand parts of him. The fact is that the bible paints God as jealous and angry. Two attributes that is very human. The fact is that from your position God might as well be the Easter Bunny.
Mike talking: Was Jesus wrong about Judas? No. Were the disciples wrong? Yes and no. The kingdom of heaven is a constant but does not exist in the material world.
Russ talking: Your right Jesus knew what Judas was going to do because we have no free will. Look at what happened to the Pharaoh. He was going to let Moses go but what did God do? He hardened his heart. Could it be that Pharaoh actually had free will just for a split second?
Mike talking: Time is and is not manmade. We use manmade time to measure actual time. Being 1:00PM is manmade but is not now after earlier?
Russ talking: I am pregnant and I am not pregnant. Come on! We give all meaning to time just like we give all meaning to God.
Mike talking: Does not the watch imply the watchmaker? What is the probability of a watch with the Timex label and the made in china sign on the back occurring by chance? Surely, if you found such a watch, you would not assume chance. How much more complicated is the human body, let alone the design of the universe?
Russ talking: Only in your limited thinking. The probability is zero since the watch is obviously made by some person. The watch does not evolve on its own it only evolves as Man changes it from one model to the next model. But the human body is part of evolutionary process where it has evolved over time and changed much like the ‘guys’ program illustrated in the Popular Science article. We know that at the microscopic level that life changes over time given new stresses in that life’s environment. There is now something like 6 different strains of AIDS.
If God is outside of the universe then how did he design the universe let alone react with it? You say that nature is perfect then it follows that God must be perfect making it impossible for him to create imperfect beings. But since you say that ‘we’ are imperfect then God has to be imperfect leading one to conclude that God is no God. And then there is the question of who created God? If you say that God had no beginning and no end and therefore was not created then why not the watch as well, in fact I is say that God is a watch.
Mike talking: Russ, you are trying too hard to not accept the obvious. Why is that? Rich Brilliant had the same problem. It is an active attempt to avoid the truth. In fact, you know the bible well enough that you reveal your belief. We all know what the lion's den reveals.
Russ talking: Rich Brilliant is a Jew. He doesn’t believe in Jesus. I avoid nothing. I believe that we will all end up where we are supposed to end up.
Russ, you forgot your basic logic. I won't use the p's and q's. A can be B and not B at the same time BUT NOT IN THE SAME CONTEXT.
Let me guess...the jews made either logic, time, or both, right?
Senor Rojo
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